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  1. Traveller

    Traveller F1 Veteran

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    Now that first impressions are out there, do you think the F12 will initially have a premium to it or will it immediately suffer the fate of the FF ?
     
  2. absent

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    Large premiums in initial months of release and gradual decline later on,as with the 599....
    (Most likely)
     
  3. wang

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    As with all new models which came out, there were premiums to be had by first buyers... So I'm sure the F12 will command huge premiums.
     
  4. F2003-GA

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    Realistically would be 50-80k over,but there will be a lot of hype for more
    In today's market there are more alternatives to spend your money on as
    opposed to when the 599 was commanding 150k over MSRP
     
  5. willcrook

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    it's so expensive already that I think the premiums won't be that large
     
  6. dr.sb

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    Plenty of crazy people out there, waiting lists already growing and people willing to pay a lot of money to skip that queue. £30-40k for first 6 months then tailing off sounds about right for such a car...
     
  7. bundas

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    at 75 waiting 2 1/2 years for the car is a little out of my plan
     
  8. Noblesse Oblige

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    I'm not that far behind you. Wait a year, then pick up a low mileage used one.
     
  9. YellowF50

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    Lot of interest, doesn't equate to open cheque books, ask Romans how they doing getting there 30-40k premium on the well optioned 458 spider ( which everyone is going crazy about, even clarkson so he bought one).

    They doing so well with it they just reduced the price 10k
     
  10. Traveller

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    Fair point. The US and UK are very different markets and the real premium for a spider is around £20k whereas I suspect it is a LOT more than $30,000 in the States.
     
  11. F2003-GA

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    Number of people got burned paying 50-150k over for the 599.
    Only to loose real big within a very short time frame.I think this
    fact will play on premium market for the F12.
     
  12. SpeedyJunior

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    I definately agree on that point ..... Front engine ferrari's on the contemporary side very seldom hold value after 18months ..... Look at the prices of 599's now and even GTO's are around ....
     
  13. of2worlds

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    I think the last 12 cylinder Ferrari models like the F12 are greatly undervalued. Especially when the government mandates huge increases in fuel economy that 12 cylinder models have no hope of delivering. When people realize this type of Ferrari (pure non-turbo V12 horsepower) won't be offered any more you can count on increasing demand to drive up prices.
    On a more immediate level the engineering and styling improvements the F12 represents are a huge draw. Production of perhaps only 3 cars per day will limit availability to 600 cars per year built. Also 599 production was stopped in 2011 leaving an extra year of demand unfulfilled.
    CH
     
  14. Traveller

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    Interesting take. In the UK a Spider lists at only $50k approx less than an F12 which to me makes one look cheap or the other expensive.
     
  15. of2worlds

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    #15 of2worlds, Oct 15, 2012
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    For your market as I recall the GTO was 299k and the F12 starts at 239k or 60k less (all prices in pounds). Of course options can add considerably to the initial F12 price but there were lots of people into the GTO for that big number in 2011.
    Now Ferrari offers a new design direction focus (make a front engine 12 almost as nimble as a mid engine 8 with a more generous safety net to keep from rolling it up in a ball) for less money than those GTO's were gobbled up for...
    CH
     
  16. Ferrari_Michael

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    Speaking for the UK, no.

    I have been offered multiple cars at varying premiums, and the genuine ones are still available (build slots I'm talking here), despite coming back to me with multiple price drops.

    One car has been offered originally at 55£ over base plus options, already spec'd, delivery Feb 13, last offer was 25£ over, and as far as I know, still available. Second car similar story.

    I'm just not gonna spend that money on a new car that WILL depreciate in the first year hugely, and will bankrupt a bank in its second year. To consider paying a premium ontop? Crazy, it's no special series car...

    I know there wil be exceptions, those who want it now and don't care as its simply fashion, and they will pay that premium, but there can't be many cause that early car is stil there!

    Regards
    Mike James
     
  17. Noblesse Oblige

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    I am not sure how long the high revving, high compression NA V8s will be around either. It appears that the California replacement will be turbocharged. At the very least the taxes on traditional Ferrari engine configurations will be ramping up.
     
  18. OnPoint

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    If this is Maranello's last V12 - it likely will prove to be a desireable model for a good long time.
     
  19. London John

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    You interested in an F12 Tim?
     
  20. F12Berlinetta

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    The Aventador seems to be holding onto its used market premium even a year into its product lifecycle, and it seems that the F12 would be treated similarly.

    What amazes me is the pricing on the 458 Italia (sorry to mix Ferrari models in this F12 discussion). A quick analysis of the used market shows the low mile examples still selling for close to MSRP, and newer models selling for more than MSRP. Incredible car, but is anyone paying that, especially as the special order wait times trend downward?
     
  21. Traveller

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  22. London John

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    Come into my web.....,
     

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