So just to be argumentative- because I do agree drivers should get the cars- what defines a "real driver"? I'd prefer to see more of a direct free market setup also but this is Ferrari's game and they make the rules. LVEric, sorry to read about your health issues. I hope thats better now.
thx man, i'm pretty good now, 06-11 was tough action, in 11 my back pain started to fade slowly, ive been able to travel for the past 3 years with almost no problems. i'll never be 100% but yes!!!! i'm much better, thank you kindest regards eric
respectfully who cares about $10K isnt even a fraction of the sales tax, cant buy them new on MSO. and good luck for a dealer to get a enforcement action on that $10K anyways, that contract aint worth the paper its written on. the real loss is the relationship with the dealer, violation the terms of a contract for a flip is ****ting where you eat. I suppose everyone has a price. but it aint the $10K
I never understand comments like this. Same kind of loose talk about ticket scalpers. Ferrari could do one of two things. It could auction the cars off to the highest bidder, which would assure that the cars would go to those who value them the most. Or, it can have a marketing gimmick to encourage people to stock up on F cars by offering the "chosen few" first crack at limited editions (now that Ferraris specializes in cranking out "limited editions" on a regular and calculated basis). They choose the latter. That means that the allocation method might not result in the cars going to those who value them the most. Folks who resell them fix that problem. They provide liquidity. Why is that bad? I understand why Ferrari might not like it, because it highlights the money they left on the table. Why anyone who loves to buy Ferraris would not like it is beyond me. These flippers do not drive up prices. Those who buy from them do. "First off, what is greed? Of course, none of us is greedy. It's only the other guy who's greedy." -- Milton Friedman
Guessing initial premium is one thing; how about guessing the total number they'll produce... Basic price here is £339,000
This time, due to the IPO Spotlight, I think they will be compelled to stick to the announced 799. I also think that is the reason for an apparently bigger announced run unlike the 599 GTO which was announced as 599 and yet there are apparently at least 720. This sleight of hand is no longer open to them.
+1 and I heard this from a very reliable source. They are under the spotlight more now than ever before.
Believe they are, but nothing about having had an IPO or being a public company would compel them to stick to the 799 -- even if they had used this number with investors in their securities filings (and they haven't). They'd be subject to reputational issues, and to suit by buyers, or regulatory action by the FTC or the equivalent in other countries, if they were found to have done false advertising, but that would always have been the case, IPO or no IPO.
I can only add anecdotal evidence. With the 599GTO, I asked at the last minute if I could order and my dealer said, all sold, but yes if I really did. We all know somewhere between 720-800 were made. Same dealer and under far more pressure on this car and so far no give from the factory on additional allocation.
Do we? I have seen that mentioned a few times, particularly on this forum, but is there any actual solid proof? Is there a published VIN directory somewhere or is it a combination of useless web banter and Chinese whispers? I can understand a few more than stated being made because of 'poor' counting skills but 100-200 more! Come on surely they would be facing legal action of some sort as that is blatant misrepresentation.
Agree plus the other thing thats somewhat is amusing is that the cars should go to real drivers. If I read through the threads and look at mileages on cars for sale, they are so low. What's a real driver - I drive my Ferrari's as daily drivers, I don't worship them I enjoy them for the great cars they are. They aren't any better sitting in a garage than a Prius!! Ferrari knows how to sell it's card so well.
That is the beauty of their ruse! Very difficult to prove although I am aware of one individual who has noted in excess of 700 chassis numbers as well as off the record well placed confirmation.
Interesting. So the 125 units in USA is well off also given the ratio used off the 599 number. Some in particular will not be happy to hear that but the response will be as expected. IMO actual numbers don't matter a single bit if you are truly satisfied with the car.
The chatter about 599 GTO numbers shouldn't matter a jot to the 599 GTO brigade. Had the TDF been called GTO, that would have been a hit on future values. Instead, I see the 599 GTO as rock solid going forward. Everyone knows Ferrari was always economic with the truth. As a related and depressing fact, someone who is involved in the Classiche programme believes there are only c 800 road worthy F40s in existence. The sad reality is over time, attrition brings down numbers anyway.
You are 100% correct especially now GTO prices have moved. Who cares if there are actually 1200 of them.
Same deal with my friend. He had to buy a regular F12 for him to get an allocation for the TDF. i think that's a tactic they use now. They get to sell 2 cars instead of 1, brilliant strategy.
Just had a speech today with a dealer and I've been told that plenty of people is calling them asking for F!2 TDF offering usually a +200k Euro premium for it
To be honest, I think that is just the start when UK Speciales are going for nearly the same premium, and that for a non limited production car. Once word gets out just how outrageous the TDF is, when reviewers begin to understand it better with more time at the wheel, as well as hopefully a really positive report from Chris Harris who is surely best qualified to get underneath the skin, the prices could go ballistic. Until the market corrects.
I do think so.... Anyway I think that there is a lot of buyers without an allocation, much more than for example for 599 GTO, so the market could be not predictable
