F12 vs Aventador Roadster

Hurucan is fast on the track, but not what I would call 'fun'. More like a 4wd prison of ugly on wheels. And the understeer ...

 

Is the Aventador really cheap on the inside? Never drove one and am not a fan of the looks. I think the Murcielago is a more elegant car and also a little more Lambo-like. I also happen to like the Gallardo more than the Huracan, both inside and out as well as driving experience.

 

I think the Huracan is quite a good looking car actually. Amazing how opinions vary on the success of a cars design.

 

Eric, was the Murcielago better with the fit and finish than the aventador? I've never been in one, but the styling always seemed more emotional to me, less computer driven (the aventador is too "Iron Man" like for me). I'd take a Murci SV over an Aventador SV without thinking twice...

 

yes i drove my Murci 15,000 miles in 8 years, i know the car very well. Drove probably 50 different ones.

I owned a pile of Gallardo's the late ones are much better. Early ones are horrible cars especially E-gear. Lambo shipped EVERY dealer 12 units, they had to be out of Italy by Dec 31, so they flew them over, regular shipping by boat. That was a Audi move as well, they needed to show that the cars left the port in Italy by Dec 31 for the bean counters, I bought one $5000 back of window, drove it 600-700 miles gave it back got another one, drove it 4 miles from one dealer to another and sold it. A few years later I grabed another one it was nice, had a few after than for short times(had a good connection for them) they are great cars. Bach to the Dec 31 thing, that was the first aggressive play by Audi, they shipped a car that was not ready for delivery, it was rough and needed 6 12? months before the roll out. I dont build cars so i'm not sure exactly how long, but it was a premature delivery.


the take away from that rollout is Audi does not care or give a rats ass about its product, its all about the bean counters. I've watched this disappointing evolution since 99. Lie I said I had a Aventador 50th anniversary parked for a hair over 24 months 20 meters from where i'm sitting now and i drove it 200 miles. I dont care about what I lost on it, What I care about is losing Lamborghini. Game over!!!!


THe Murci was the "transition car", It was designed by Luk Ducenwalder(sP?) a Austrian guy, i met once. Nice ehough guy. It was MUCH better quality. Fit and Finish aint the problem with the new cars, the plastic all fits together nicly and some of it has a nice finish. Its deeper than that, its what the car is made of. Weigh reduction my ass. Thats a poor excuse fpor bad plastic. just walk around the car and tap everything with your fingernais, its cheap plastic or stamped metal(bad stamped metal latches) etc. The Murci didnt have near as much as that, but Audi was getting their ducks in a row during the Murci/Gallardo era.

Now they have their formula, what color would you like, oh yes the clear glass so you can see the alumin pipe motor care is a extra $7500-for 3 pieces of glass-nice!!! In the SV they wrapped the cage in carbon.

The new Lambos have nice paint work, very nice. they are fast, very fast. but the plastic, and the sad thing is nobody seems to care they buy blindly.

 

My mechanic who has worked on all these exotics tells me that the newer Lambos are of much higher mechanical and construction quality compared to the older ones. Perhaps craftmanship (i.e. interiors, plastics etc) is not that high, but they are much better built engineering-wise.

 

I think for a lot of first time supercar owners they all have a specific car that they have worked towards and wanted for a long time. When they desire something for so long, lets say the Gallardo, they don't think too too much about the pros and cons. If the plastic is bad they'll say "Oh well" and just move on from that issue. Lots of them care about just getting to their goal and not bashing the quality and assessing every little fault with the car. That's why so many of them buy 'blindly' as you put it. It's like the first stages of love, they have tunnel vision and can't see the things wrong and even when they do, it just doesn't matter to them. As for second/third/etc. time buyers, that's a different story...

 

Exterior, ok. The interior was my point. Junky cheap plastic and an ugly design.

 

Haven't sat in one so I cannot give an opinion. I'll revisit when I do.

 

I had a mechanic that worked for an independent service center . He said that ferraris were built much better they would have 20 little bolts holding a part in and lambo would use plastic push pins. Basically that ferraris were built be be disassembled and reassembled .. Which works out well since they need it.
so bottom line he liked working on ferraris much more then lambos.

 

I've test driven both for our magazines. They are cars from different planets. Aventador Roadster had drama and everyone took pictures and was never dull, but didn't feel that fast, yet totally impractical. Fun on really rare occasions. A pain otherwise. Felt more like my F512M than the F12 does, by a long way - maybe just midengined 12, but also that olde-skool feel.

F12 I have driven a few times (I own a 575 and a 550). Much better objectively, faster, more together, car than the Aventador, but so different. Incredibly rapid, incredible engineering the way the revs pick up, and didn't engage me at all. No smile factor. Amazingly efficient.
I can't see a time when on a sunny Saturday morning I'd take the F12 for a drive for the hell of it (unless around a track). Precision tool for getting from A to B, sure. It's much more like the FF than the Lambo.

The V8 midengined cars are where the fun is these days, at legal speeds.

Or you could buy a F512M. Mine hasn't gone wrong in a year. You'll lose a race to the new cars, but you'll have a much bigger smile on your face.

 

Yes, I am told the same thing. My point is that older Lambos are even worse than the newer ones.

 

F512M's are quite rare at least in the states. I'm not sure on the prices but might be half a million. That's a lightly used F12 plus a Porsche Turbo.....

Good insight though. As a counter point. I felt the F12 gave me a big smile. Accelerates like hell as the engine screams. Slight feeling of lack of control which is always exciting. No questions which one I'd spend my money on. I'd get 10x the use out of an F12.

 

Why Ferrari doesn't build a mid-V12? That alone will increase the RACE stock price.

 

All good points! And you wouldn't take the F512M out for a blast in the wet. I wouldn't anyway. Not an everyday car. The F12 is, for sure. The Aventador just is not. And that roof on the Aventador Roadster - what a pain!

Still, the F512M might actually make you money on your half mill...75 made for the US.

 

It might, it might not. When rates return to normal and world stops going crazy we may not see the silly appreciation of every half rare asset like we are.

 

some are pretty bad, but the old ones are not plastic.

 

Sure..my use of "might" implies a "might not" by definition. 512M more likely to make you money than an F12 and a 991 Turbo, anyhoo

But let's not derail the thread.

 

F12 everything about this car is perfect.

The Avantador/SV to me for attention but ride and driving experiance the F12.

I just received my first F12 production pictures, so can't wait for more pictures and delivery.

Again it's my opinion and experience.

Good luck buying what You like.

Mbn

 

Mid-V12's are the flagship models (F50/Enzo/Laferrari)

 

May want to check your pulse!

 

I know you are talking about the aventador roadster but if you could get a SV roadster that may be your best bet. One owner said it was the closest car he has ever driven to his mc12 corsa. Just a thought however they are more expensive and not as comfortable as the f12

 

It's the most clinical of the current supercars, with the exception of the 991 Turbo S. Possibly the best, objectively. It makes cars hard to rate in our reviews, but you will all have read "this car is brilliant but lacks soul" about some modern supercar. Personally, you may find a car lacks a pulse, as I did with the F12 all the times we reviewed it, but objectively - amazing car. You're doing 140 mph without thinking, on a two-lane road.

Think that's what the OP was asking, possibly.

 

So you and your magazine says. Over here we don't put the small turbo's in the same category as the F12. Nothing about the F12 lacks soul but then I'm just an owner who can't think of a better thing to do on a Sunday morning! Also a bit confusing as you say "The V8 midengined cars are where the fun is these days". Do you think that the 488 is less 'clinical' or more fun than the best NA V12 on the street?