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F12 Wont Start (2015)

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  1. clockem

    clockem Formula 3

    May 18, 2009
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    Looking to see if any one has had this issue:

    Background: Car was in storage for 5 months with the trickle charger on it. Started right up no issue at all. Drove the car numerous times after that.

    Had to go out of town for a week, put on the trickle charger. Got back, put the key in etc car did its usual diagnostic all lights on etc, hit the start key and NOTHING. No sound nothing.

    Will call the dealer on Monday to toe the car in but wanted to know if anyone had this issue?
     
  2. rmitchell248

    rmitchell248 Formula 3

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    I've had similar. Take the charger off. Let it sit for an hour or so. Then put the charger back on for 20 minutes. Took the charger off and it started.... What I did was not scientific but worked none the less. good luck.
     
  3. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    are u sure you took the charger off? what u described it is exactly what happens when u try to start the car with the trickle charger still plugged in
     
  4. clockem

    clockem Formula 3

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    Rmitchell, I did try that but no luck.

    Ttforcefed, do you really think that I would leave the trickle charger plugged in? Not my first rodeo or Ferrari. But thanks for the suggestion.
     
  5. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    well having little kids has made me do that multiple times.

    it's possible the break pedal sensor is going - try standing on the brake pedal with all ur weight and see if that does the trick - happens on the 430s all the time
     
  6. Entropy

    Entropy Formula 3
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    Question - is it giving you signs of low voltage? (dimmed lights, relays clicking away like mad, etc?).

    Assuming you've done all the things you've learned in the "ferrari rodeo", the battery (I.e. voltage and current) are always prime suspects.

    Another "it worked for us" item is to do several lock/unlock cycles....lock it, wait a minute for system/immobilizer to arm, then unlock.

    Also I would try the reconnection of the tender and disconnect, for some reason it might be sensing it's still connected (residual/static?)
     
  7. rmitchell248

    rmitchell248 Formula 3

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    If you can get to the battery I'd try a disconnect / re connect next.
     
  8. ttforcefed

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    I said it last night in a 458 thread - these cars are getting to the point where they need a control alt delete button reboot
     
  9. Entropy

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    well, the batteries do have quick-disconnects on them, it might be a hint....though in the last 4 years across multiple Ferrari's, I've only had to resort to that once (brand new F12, driving out of the showroom, TFT's went dead). Our first 458 had a faulty battery, so even a reboot did squat.

    Assuming everything else is good, only reason I can think of for the start button to be dead is a lockout (tender detected, security system) or simply not enough juice to get the starter engaged. Looking to learn what the cause is
     
  10. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    yeh only other thing ive encountered is the break pedal sensor I mentioned - when those start to go you literally have to stand on the break pedal with all ur weight - that was a neat trick I learned from Henkel at miller
     
  11. clockem

    clockem Formula 3

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    I tried the hard force on the break pedal and yes it started.

    I will try it again without as much break pressure and see what happens.

    Thanks for the idea.

    There was no low voltage indication.
     
  12. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    oh good to hear - just get the sensor replaced - don't mess around with that
     
  13. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie

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    Brake, not break, gentlemen.


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  14. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    again I blame my kids....50/50 isn't bad
     
  15. 33pds

    33pds Karting

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    In this case, perhaps break fits the bill...
     
  16. Zaius

    Zaius Formula Junior

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    Interesting about the brake sensor
     
  17. patekswiss

    patekswiss Formula 3

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    My F12 "infotainment" system reboots itself every 10 minutes or so while driving -- no button needed! :)
     
  18. raclaims

    raclaims Formula Junior

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    Very interesting info...often my 458 doesnt want to start...I panic...try everything I can think of and it starts.

    I have an old BMW I can leave unplugged in for 8 months and it always starts right up. Frustrating.
     
  19. RickLederman

    RickLederman F1 Rookie
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    :D then drive the Beemer ... not as bad as a Prius but still a Beemer :) And today I am working on getting a Fiat 500L battery replaced, my daughter's car, we will see what the local service center does but so far it is bad as they have not returned my call for over an hour.
     
  20. raclaims

    raclaims Formula Junior

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    I do love that BMW...it's awesome.
     
  21. rjn21

    rjn21 Karting

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    Same, unless it randomly freezes, or mutes the guidance speech but still mutes the then playing audio source. This is after the latest NIT software update campaign - if anything that makes it worse.
     
  22. Entropy

    Entropy Formula 3
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    Our F12 had a factory software update for the INT, it was made available about 2 months after we got the car and cleaned up some of the "bugs"....

    Might be worth confirming that your cars have the update. I'm going to speculate and assume that the updates were market-specific (eg. in US, you have SiriusXM SatRadio, other markets have different setups).

    Might have nothing to do with your issue(s), but we had similar issues before....and they were cured after.
     
  23. Hamishmoon

    Hamishmoon Formula Junior

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    had the same problem with my 458, tried and tried and tried and was so pissed off I really pushed the brake pedal down and bobby bingo she fired in a heartbeat.
     
  24. ttforcefed

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    you're welcome!
     
  25. clockem

    clockem Formula 3

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    Update: mechanic checked the brake sensor and found no issues. He said at times you need to put greater pressure on the brake.

    As FYI, he said when you start the car, the mechanical system first makes sure it's the right key and then the brake is depressed.

    Thanks everyone for your input. Very helpful.
     

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