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F360: Air-filter covers NOT properly seated can trigger CEL?

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  1. vrsurgeon

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    Possible.. or depressurization of the system (I thought an american emissions thing)..

    Need to know what the code is...
     
  2. DrG.

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    They called me today from the garage, asking me if I had put any fuel, before the CEL appeared. Indeed I had but as always, I made sure that I had closed the fuel flap correctly and tight (as a not properly closed fuel flap can trigger the CEL). They said that the error the SD2 showed was relevant to the FUEL pressure inside the tank, that's why I thought about the fuel vapour filter....
     
  3. vrsurgeon

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    Too much pressure or not enough? Can they tell you exactly what the code was? Should be 4-digits...
     
  4. vrsurgeon

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    I need to move to Cypress and start an FCar repair shop. ;)
     
  5. DrG.

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    Please do!!
     
  6. rustybits

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    Believe me, you don't. I had one there for nearly seven years and there are valid reasons why I am no longer there....

    George, there are no SD2 readings for fuel pressure issues relating to a loose cap. If the fault wasnt there before they worked on it then Something has been done incorrectly. Please get the fault codes that are present, and post them up...
     
  7. DrG.

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    Ed, do you really think they will reveal "all the truth" to me.......?
     
  8. DrG.

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    I am no mechanic but I have the feeling that smth has gone wrong with the installation of the belts and/or the correct setup. Performance wise there seems to be no issue with the car, is just that weird light sound I noticed (no knocking or such thing) that makes me upset...
     
  9. rustybits

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    No, I suspect not, but I would ask to see the present fault codes that are evident in your car, write them down and post them. There are a few possibilities that could cause this issue and if we know what the errors are we may be able to narrow them down. It's just a shame that everyone wasn't as nice to deal with as you were, or there may well have still been a choice of garage to take your car too...
     
  10. DrG.

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    I will ask for the codes tomorrow morning and I will post them here. It's so frustrating: Taking your car for a service at the FERRARI AUTORIZED garage, and they deliver it back to you with the box covers out of place, a noise that was NOT present before, and the CEL on the next day....
     
  11. rustybits

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    #36 rustybits, Jun 16, 2014
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    Yes, not good George. Not good at all....

    And you don't need skill to be an authorised repair facility...just lots of money!
     
  12. tazandjan

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    Eddie- Sounds like they miss you there, even if you do not miss them.
     
  13. Mozella

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    You're saying "fuel flap", which to me means the hinged external cover. Do you mean "fuel cap", the screw-on cap which seals the fuel tank; i.e. the thing located under the fuel flap?

    I think a lose screw-on cap can cause a CEL, but I don't think you'll get one just because the hinged flap is not properly closed.
     
  14. DrG.

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    Yes, my mistake, fuel CAP I meant...
     
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    *** OK, here's the UPDATE: At 9'30 am today I asked the after sales manager at the garage to send me the CODES regarding the error that occured (CEL) and he promised to do so in a few minutes. (Now, after 8.5 hours later he failed to do so). They said that the CEL was triggered because of a bad FUEL vapour FILTER (and that FERRARI confirmed that, after they send them all the data), so they replaced it. (I want to be honest on this: the pre-service quotation, INCLUDED the replacement of this part -based on the car's age -2003 mnf- but after they "inspected" it -how I don't know- they said it didn't require any replacement)

    Regarding the strange noise coming from the engine bay: they admitted that during the service, they somehow loosend a screw at the hydraulic steering fluid container, and during a road test, fluid was spilled outside, contaminating the relevant belt, which was afterwards a bit noisy. So they replaced this belt and all was well. They drove the car and they delivered it to my house (I was not present as I was busy fixing someone's teeth...) around an hour ago. During the last phone conversation I had with the A.S. manager, when he was about to leave from Nicosia (the town where the garage is) and drive to my town, he confirmed that the OLD canister (fuel vapour filter) was placed in a box INSIDE the car. But when I checked, it was not..! Anyhow, I started the car and the noise is now gone, so is the CEL. I hope they both stay that way...Scary stuff...But the scariest of all is that this is the ONLY garage in Cyprus with some experience on Ferraris (albeit with no skills). So unless I decide to sell my 360, I have to wear my "smiley face" when dealing with these people............***
     
  16. Mozella

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    Well, you might be forced to deal with them, but that doesn't mean you have to smile at them. You're the one spending the money, not them.

    I'd say you need to have a talk with the big boss and explain to him what you've explained to us on this forum. Be polite of course, but be sure someone with some authority knows how sloppy their workmanship is. Tell them that you're unhappy.

    And, as I suggested before, invite them to do something nice for you; perhaps a free oil change or something. Put the ball in their court and ask them to explain why (even though everyone knows that you're more or less forced to do business with them) they expect you to accept (and pay for) poor service.

    The customer may not always be right, but he's still the customer.
     
  17. rustybits

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    But It didn't go in with the issue. What are the chances it "failed" whilst in there care? Not much. Anyway, hopefully they have sorted your problems now...
     
  18. vrsurgeon

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    Ah.. the delights of dealing with a crack repair team. I actually buy some of what they're telling.. about 30%..

    The fluid on the belt. Sure. I buy that. Probably the serpentine belt. Its something that I might have done myself.
    If it was water it would have gone away. I've done that, washed the car and had the belt making a noise. Key is it went away while steering fluid will stay. They didn't tell you about it and played you for a fool... when you called them out on it, or they got twice the repair $$$ for fixing it. Key is, somebody honest would have replaced the crap belt before they gave it back to you.

    The vapor canister. I doubt they changed a thing. Probably plugged in the fitting that they forgot to plug in when servicing the car. Thus the evaporative emissions issue (expected BTW).

    If you have any trouble.. try giving us a heads up. Either here or on the 360/430 section before you take the car in. At the very least we can give you a heads up for things to ask for, do, expect, etc. You're probably going to have to be on the ball when you deal with them.
     
  19. DrG.

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    Yes, obviously it didn't fail whilst in their care....More likely (if THIS was indeed the error) they failed to connect the fittings after "inspecting" it, as vrsurgeon suggests....

    Oh, I have done that in the past, believe me....3 years ago (major service again), they quoted me 4600 euros (after they inspected the car), and AT the delivery date (8-9 days later) they asked 7000 euros!!! They had also replaced the clutch (6sp manual) despite the fact that there were NO signs of clutch wear whilst driving, (but what do I know, they are AUTHORISED...) and after the clutch they removed was inspected by an expert technician (who is no longer in Cyprus BTW), it was found it DIDN't need to be replaced. I was actually advised to keep it for a possible future need! I paid them 5k euros and left saying that they wouldn't see me again. But the only technician I respect and trust, had left Cyprus before the next scheduled service...The "big boss" did not impress me with his attitude: He suggested that I could pay 5k euros, and the rest in a few months time...!
     
  20. voicey

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    It sounds to me like it'd be worth flying someone in to service your car - let me know next year and I'll see if there's a gap in my diary!
     
  21. DrG.

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    Really?? Please PM me. with contact info, details etc....
     
  22. DrG.

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    #47 DrG., Jun 18, 2014
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    Ed?? You know that the annual service for my car is every June-July. Any chance you might pop over next summer? :-D
     
  23. vrsurgeon

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    You know THAT is an idea..

    We fly there for a winter/spring vacation and service a car when we get there. Annual is pretty straight forward..
     
  24. Mozella

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    I love it when a plan comes together. ;)
     
  25. rustybits

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    I've tried to organise this before, on several occasions. I flew over just after Christmas. I sorted out a workshop, booked jobs, ordered parts, flew over. I had 18 cars booked, 5 showed. It never changes George and its one of MANY reasons I pulled the plug, and I am not alone. Before me Ellias used to come out once a year to do the cars. He stopped because of lack of payment, arguments and no shows. IF you can get me a DEFINATE list of owners and they pay parts up front I will book the workshop in Larnaca and come out for a week with special tooling and my SD3.

    To all you guys who think you can just fly over to Cyprus and make a load of money, good luck. I did it for many years, you can't just fly in change a few filters and pocket some cash.

    As I said before, there are very valid reasons why I am no longer there.
     

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