F360 F1 Hydraulic Actuator

If you do a search you will find lots of information on actuators and that there is a newer version that is less expensive than the $7700 you have been quoted. I would say that if the second hand actuator is not leaking then it should be fine however no one will give you any guarantees.

 

The P/N you want appears to be 181160. It is very pricey!

It is worth retrieving one from annother car. Check with www.italianrecycling.com in Sacramento, CA.

Make sure the heat shield is in place! The Cat can cook that part!

 

Aztar- There is a new F1 pump for the f430, which can be retrofitted to the 360, but that does not sound like your problem.

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=337466

The hydraulic actuator runs the same $7700 you were quoted. The 430 actuator is actually more.

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=208425

You can buy all the components for the 430 F1 system from Ricambi for a little over $10K, which actually sounds like a better deal than the actuator since you would get all the latest parts including the new pump, but with some adaptation and bracket differences, etc. Maybe one of the pros can tell you if it can be adapted.

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=208425

Does anybody rebuild the hydraulic actuators out there?

Probably a good idea to call Ricambi and see what they recommend.

Specialized Italian Recycling usually has several 360s in stock. You might give them a call, too.

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Specialized-Italian-Recycling__W0QQ_armrsZ1

This is the 430 F1 system.

Taz
Terry Phillips
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I do not think the pump is his problem, Terry.

The actuator is #1 in the drawing.

 

Your concerns are well-founded but $4K is less than $7K, and a low mileage part will last a while!

There was parts yard in the East that had a sign at the front counter that read: "we all ride on used parts".

Certainly is very true.

Do check with Italian Recycling in Sacramento.

Stay with a 6 speed next time.

 

Greg, Aztar- Yes, I know. Someone said they thought the 430 system was cheaper, and nearly every part is, except the actuator, which is more expensive. My other point was if the actuator is going out, the rest of the system is suspect, too, and fixing it one piece at a time will eat up time and money. Brian Crall (Rifledriver) says it is not that big a deal to convert the F1 shifter to a manual shifter. The transaxles are identical. You might check and see if Specialized has a six speed 360 from which the necessary parts can be obtained. It may be cheaper than rebuilding the F1 system. Alternatively ship it to Brian and let him convert it. You must be getting a really good deal on this 360 to make it worth the trouble.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Two interesting questions there Terry. Rebuild shouldn't be that hard. Brakes are rebuilt all the time and my guess is that they have similar pressures.

Will a 430 system work and if so, would it give you 430 like shifting? I drove a 430 the other day and I can tell you that the shifting is much faster and much smoother. Brian, any comment on this?

 

Brian is certainly the best person to have do this but I would have to believe that it would be more costly than replacing the actuator with a $4K part.

The clutch plate, disc, and T/O would have to be changed as would the ECU's and then there is the mechanical addition of the clutch pedal, resevoir, gating, levers. and necessary plumbing, etc.


If you are getting such a great deal on the car then I would say go for the $4K option plus it's labor and be done with it!

 

Too many bad actuators out there to make me consider getting a used one. Expensive gamble at best.

If 430 actuator was compatible it would either have the same part # or 360 # would supersede to it. They are different transmissions.

 

So, actually speaking then what is Aztar to do?

 

Greg- Clutches are identical. A new throw-out bearing is necessary.

Brian- Thanks. I know people had been swapping out the F1 pumps, was not sure about the rest. The same component kit for a 360 is $7K more. No way to rebuild the actuators, I guess. Woulld seem to be a lucrative line for somebody if you could get the parts.

Got the number for Mo Ma. Thanks. They are the same ones my guys use, which cheers me up.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I see more misdiagnosis on F1 systems than most anything else and a lot of very expensive parts getting thrown at them because so few seem to have any idea how it all works. We fix a lot of them and most of those have already been somewhere else and the car has lots of new parts and it still doesn't work. I am not going to tell the guy what to buy because I have no idea what he really needs.

I get 5 phone calls a day from all around the country and I can't fix cars over the phone or internet.

 

A 430 F1 system will not work on 360

 

Hi
The Actuator can be overhaul ( Your’s I do not know I need to see it ), and all the whit new actuators. If the system is bleed properly you will be ok...

 

can you share the name of the company?

 

Hi Tony I just saw that your local to myself (im upper north end Gold coast).. ive just bought a 360 with some F1 issues (F1 light stays on and car keeps dropping into Neutral) Can you recommend a good mechanic that can help me out at all?.
Thanks in advance.
Sebastian

 

I believe that GTE Engineering in Florida rebuilds actuators.