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  1. t88power

    t88power Formula 3

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    #1 t88power, Feb 10, 2006
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    After five and a half years of ownership, I finally sold the 360M. When I bought it I thought that I would never sell it, but I think the time had come to make a change. Listed it on the newspaper classifieds this weekend and it sold right away. I guess a one-owner car with all documented service still has a decent market out there. I thought I would have to wait months to find a buyer.

    The one surprising thing was that all my friends and family, when finding out that I sold it, thanked me for letting them share in riding/driving the Ferrari - something most of them would probably have never done. I think that has been the best thing: letting other share in the experience.

    Anyway, I've been looking at alternatives:

    1. F430. Great drive, much better overall than a 360. A lot faster. Sounds great too (and my 360 had a full Tubi with no cats). Overall impression is that it feels like a 360 on steriods, and i dont think its different enough to justify upgrading from a 360. From a 355, I wouldnt think twice. The rear design is still to grow on me, very busy back there with the tail lights and bumper.

    2. Gallardo. Test drove one recently, and it felt very fast. Hard to tell a difference in overall straightline speed from the F430. However, very dry and unemotional drive - didnt get the exciting feel from driving that I did from the F430 (even the 360). Yes, it attracted lots of attention, and some people judge a car exciting because of this, but to me its the drive that matters. It just felt like a very fast Audi to me (or a Porsche TT). If fast is what really mattered, I'd buy a Skyline and dump $30K into it - and have a 1000RWHP monster nobody could touch.

    3. Bentley ContiGT. Excellent drive. Fast. Feels like a sitting in an easy chair inside a vault with a rocket strapped to the back. Great daily driver, I would think. Excellent styling - so so interior. But again - not exciting enough for a weekend/fun car.

    Bottom line is that I'm thinking maybe going to the past and buying a Dino. I've always loved them, and they have to be fun to drive, no?!? Also maybe putting a deposit down for the F430 replacement and waiting for that. Bottom line is that the new cars are starting to feel way too sterile to be enjoyable (also considering an Elise, although I've never driven one). Again, speed is not the issue.

    BTW, here are the last pics of the 360 taken with my cellpone as delivered to the buyer. Loved the car, relatively no problems, very exciting to drive, loved the sport seats and tubi exhaust (must haves on the 360).

    Ernesto
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  2. Jerrari

    Jerrari F1 Veteran

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    Beautiful 360 Ernesto! What about a 550/575? That would be way different from the 360. We don't need another deserter to "the darkside" :)
     
  3. whart

    whart F1 Veteran
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    Dino is gorgeous, far prettier than anything currently made by anyone, and doesn't look dated- even though it is an 'old' car.
    Pretty pricey for what they are- maybe i'll be wrong, and they'll be worth 300k some day, but since they are priced high, I wouldn't buy anything but close to the best- it's just too costly to make a car right, and it won't match market value if you have to reach deep.
    I love the idea of a small tossable car that you could really drive hard, and still be in a zone close to arguable lawfulness.
    But, I wonder, from Dino owners- GTS- too much chassis flex?
    I've kicked around the idea of an older, hot-rodded Morgan for similar reasons- bugs in the teeth, visceral thrills at sub-100 mph speeds. Pretty raw car though.

    My concern with this approach is that sometimes you want something that can put it down occasionally. So, whether it is a Dino, a Morgan or anything else of that ilk, you'll also want something modern, with some torque and semi-current tire technology. A Dino and a Daytona as a matched period set might do it, if you could find the right pair and make a 'bulk' deal. Good Luck.
     
  4. jungathart

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    Hard to overlook these...or how about a Boxer with full provenance?

    I can't imagine how gut wrenching it must have been to have parted with the car!
     
  5. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Go for the 430. Are there many F-cars in PR? My guess is no, but I don't really know.
     
  6. Webby

    Webby F1 Veteran

    Sep 12, 2004
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    That is such a cute 360! I haven't driven any of those you listed, only even seen 1 in person in fact, but I think you should get the Gallardo spyder
     
  7. Noel

    Noel F1 Veteran
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    go for the g
     
  8. vincent355

    vincent355 F1 Veteran
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    Dino's are fun to drive...but it looks to me that you'll be dissapointed by the lack of horsepower.

    You need 2 cars...something old....something new (with some serious balls)
     
  9. Testacojones

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    There are plenty but not near what one would expect and thats somewhat odd because there is a lot and I mean a lot of serious cash in P.R.
     
  10. bboxer

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    Ernesto, we talked five and a half years ago when both you and I bought the 360's. In fact you helped with advice when I installed my Tubi. Well I sold mine after 5 years (last May) and bought a Gallardo to bridge the gap to my 430. I love the darn thing so much that I am not sure I'd trade it for a 430 now.
     
  11. Mr. V

    Mr. V Formula 3

    Oct 23, 2004
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    2 interesting cars you might consider test driving:

    Aston Martin V-8 Vantage;

    Lotus Exige
     
  12. Ecnal

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    I can't imagine that many people would describe a drive in a Gallardo as dry and unemotional. I wonder if the Lambo (or Audi) name, or the lack of the Ferrari name, affected you. I just got into an 06 G after putting 9000 miles on a 99 Diablo SV less than two years. I had been nervous that I would miss the SV, but after my first morning commute, I came away with the feeling that this was the most fun car I've ever had. The sound is incredible, better than the Diablo to me, the gated shifter is a perfect combination of "raw" yet super smooth, clutch feel is great, overall the car is a very visceral experience that reminded me of the Diablo but felt tighter.

    Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine, of course. I have never driven a 360 or 430, and maybe I will be blown away when I do. I can promise if I do drive a 360 or 430 and it makes my G feel dry or unemotional by comparison, I will buy one the next day, plus sell plasma to buy one to have as a spare!
     
  13. t88power

    t88power Formula 3

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    Thanks for all the replies!!

    I agree that the Dino will maybe get "old" pretty fast, especially with the lack of power, but it should be a great little car. I have always loved them, but I guess I should probably try to drive one before making a decision - something that should be relatively hard to do I think.

    The 550/575 is another option, and I've never driven one. The local dealer has one and I'll probably take it for a spin. But from what I've heard from people is that it is a very heavy car, not as tossable and perhaps not as fun to drive as a 360? I'm basically looking for pure driving enjoyment (but I realize different people will define this very differently).

    My view on the Gallardo is that it felt like driving a normal car, much the same feeling I get when I drive a Porsche 911 TT. The are fast, handle great, and look to be well built , but at the end of the day they dont seem to have the "it" factor. I dont know how else to describe it, but its something you just feel. Drove a Murcielago, and that was a completely different story.

    Bboxer, of course I remember our conversations. Did you install an exhaust on the Gallardo? Did you go for the e-gear?

    Not that many F430's in PR, the local dealer sells an average of 1-2 cars a month with maybe 3 or 4 cars on a good month. I estimate around 25 - 30 360's sold during its run.

    Ernesto
     
  14. Looney

    Looney F1 Rookie

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    I have an elise as a daily driver, and trust me, its hard to beat for a smile on your face even if it isnt the fastest.

    for what an Elise costs in the US, you could sit yourself in one of those and a Dino for far less than an F430 would cost you.

    Im thinking of upgrading to an Exige, but not sure if i should just wait with my Elise till i upgrade to a Ferrari or Lambo. What about a Diablo 6.0 thats the ultimate beast IMO
     
  15. Testacojones

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    I'm wondering here the price of a F430 in Puerto Rico. Is it something around $260,000 for a modest optioned car?
    I have a friend that bought a Porsche 996C4S about a year ago and the cost brand new at the dealer was something like $133,000 and it was pretty much a plain model car.
     
  16. bennett

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    Go with the Dino, you don't want the ContiGT, and I understand why you're an no-go on the 430. If you take a step back in time, you'll appreciate the brand that much more, and you'll feel what Enzo truly intended to do with his company, and how truly successful Ferrari has been at maintaining that philosophy of building only the best race cars on the globe. It's twenty times classier than a Gallardo too.
     
  17. mark328

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  18. bboxer

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    Ernesto,
    I still have the stock exhaust, sounds just fine to me.
    I went for the 6sp because my 430 will be an F1. AFA the G being numb compared to the 360/CS/430, I may agree on a real good and fun track day but I still think I will brake my own NRing record driving a G, not a CS or a 430. With all due humility, I have raced for ten years and appreciate a "nervous/edgy " tossable car but my quest when I track streetable cars competitively is to leave point A and come back to point A in the shortest possible time; I think the G is my pick right now, short of elevating things a notch or two and driving a CGT or Enzo. AFA the "it" factor, I find a lot of "it" in the G, but my definitions may be different.
     
  19. bostonmini

    bostonmini Formula 3

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    FORD GT!!!!
     
  20. LW RedTR

    LW RedTR Karting

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    For what it is worth, after owning Porsches, Corvettes, both old and new Vipers, and driving the 360 Ferrari, the 328, the 512TR the 512 boxer and the 88 Testarossa, I bought the 88 Testarossa.

    It is significantly slower, heavier and less of a "driver" in the sense of getting results than any of my modern cars, but I'm not racing.

    I like the smell of warm oil in the garage, having to go from 1rst to 3rd until the car warms up, the sound and feel of a 12 cylinder boxer engine behind my head, the hard steering at low speeds. Of course this is all brand new to me with the Testarossa, which is currently having the engine out major done, but I think there is something about going backwards in time that makes the driving experience more fun.

    I had the same results after hundreds of thousands of miles on motorcycles over the years. I ultimately sold the quickest production bike in the world (Suzuki GSXR 1000 K3 at the time) and if ever I went back, it would be to a Ducati Monster, or a Triumph.

    At some point, all of the refinements become too refined (e.g my Range Rover Sport with "dial it in" terrain adjustments.... boring.

    If you like small, go with the Dino, I think. If you like larger, consider a 512TR IMHO I wouldn't trade my 88 Testarossa for a brand new 430 today.
    (well maybe a convertible :- ) but you get the point.
     
  21. F328 BobD

    F328 BobD Formula 3

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    Whatever you get, don't pay cash (recall those conversations from 5 yrs ago?). :)
     
  22. t88power

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    LOL.... definitely if I buy a brand new car it will be financed - the smart way to go if you consider the time value of money (here we go again!). A Dino however, would probably be purchased cash.

    Brand new F430 coupe in PR would run around $245K, spider a tick under $300K. These are list prices (30-40% import tax on luxury cars in PR).

    Bboxer, the Gallardo is certainly a fast, well handling car. There is no doubting that. The rest, like you said, is all opinion and point of view.

    Ford GT is out of the question.

    Right now, I think if I found a nice Dino I would bite (after much reasearch). If I go to the past, I want it to be to a time before I was born - so it can be a completely different experience.
     
  23. ryalex

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    Ernesto - was it an 06 model? They are supposed to have a much sharper steering configuration.
     
  24. t88power

    t88power Formula 3

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  25. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah, from what I've read, the 06's, SE's and Spyders all have a new gearing ratio and tighter steering. Dunno if that would make you take another look.

    How about something like a 6spd DB9? Or get a 550 and an Elise - have a GT *and* a sports car.

    I've never been to PR, but lived 4 yrs on Oahu - so I know the island living - is there anywhere to really 'open it up' on PR? Is it smaller and fairly urban like Oahu, or more like the Big Island? I always thought to myself I probably wouldn't get a lot of value from a fast GT on Oahu... a Boxster S or Elise would have done the trick for 99% of 'fun' driving around there (ie. low speed curves).
     

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