just ordered a set of F50 brakes for my F40 :) Soon she'll go AND stop
William, I am assuming you ordered the Brembo set-up that I have. Make sure you get SLOTTED disks, not drilled. Also, you cannot use the factory master cylinder set-up, it simply cannot handle the increased load, you will have to go to a dual master set-up, if you do not replace the master you are are just throwing your money away. I know how fast you are on the track, you need a dual master system. Let me know if I can help. Chris
Hey Chris, thanks, I think i am slower now that law school has taken away alot of my track time but I'll get that back next year. Can you send me some info on your dual master cylinder setup ? Can I buy 1 or does it have to be fabricated ? Thanks WH
Chris: I've been considering upgrading the master cylinder as you suggest. Please post any info you think is relevant so I can share it with my Ferrari mechanic. Thanks, Steve
This is what Dave Helms from Scuderia Rampante did ( 303/938-900 ) on John Moore's F40. That mod did very well on the track usage. If you need more info, call Dave Roland F40LM Image Unavailable, Please Login
Dave actually used the blue print we designed and built it for John. You use a Tilton horizontal dual Master balance bar built on a billet platform with a male collar that slides into the factory pedal box. The primary differnce is we used all Brembo Master Cylinder components that Brembo sized specifically for the brake upgrade for the F40. Dave did a very good job, Chris Hill is the source for an all Brembo component system 913 402 1710. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Steve, it does take-up some additional room, but it is not too obtrusive. The angle of the picture makes it appear worse than it is. If you are going to up-grade your brakes, you need to do this.
Is it something I should call Dave to order, and then I can have it installed here in Seattle by my mechanic? What's the best way for me to do this? Thanks
I have a spare Michelotto pedal box set-up. Cast magnesium, holds 2 master cylinders and the clutch. May be a little pricey at $8K but it is factory correct. AP Racing and Safety Devices both make adapters to mount twin masters. A tidier packaging and doesn't look like a refugee from the SCCA run-offs. Be sure to remove the proportioning valve located in the rear pass side of the car or your modification will be for naught. The F50 brake set-up is really no better than the F40, uses the same cast caliper with dust seals, not really a track piece. Improved braking is mostly due to the larger discs. I still don't get the painted caliper deal, looks like a ricer and they paint over all of the hardware. What track car has these calipers? The Brembo 8 piston set-up is only about $3K more, 380 mm discs, billet calipers, vented Titanium capped al pistons, with an anodized finish. They also sell the endurance set-up in four piston for the same price, $9K for front and back. The pads on the endurance are about 1" thick! Your F40 deserves more that the average Honda. My 05 STI uses the "F50" painted calipers, YUCK! I can't believe that the Enzo uses cast calipers. Talk to Mark at Brembo for the details. Eric at Girodisc can comment as well.
Mark and Eric should know, since they designed the system on my car. The dual set-up might be not at tidy as the Michellotto set-up, but $8,000 is silly money and mine works just as well. Now, for $1,000 for the pedal box, I can see that. Oh by the way, my brakes have the vented Titanium caps on all pistons... We keep hearing about your "super" F40, I would sure like to see pics!
you can always paint the calipers. we did it on many cars and i have no trouble with mine even on the track. contact g2 at 719/761-3007 it's easy, cheap and the results are perfect.lol you can check in the past rocky region post for more details when did a few f cars here. roland f40lm
The Michelotto parts are pricey if you can even get them. Luggage,floor mats, and owners manuals are stupid money. Those parts just aren't right for that car. When I saw the F40 that motion products built, it looked like it was built out of the AFCO stock car products catalog and Summit racing. It was functional, just not right for an Italian supercar. If correct luggage tags are OK at $700, the brake upgrade seems like a bargain. It's a $300K car, parts are gonna cost more-how much were the floor mats? Once again, driven properly, the F40 brakes are just fine. If Roland doesn't complain, who needs them. If you think that the brake upgrade is expensive, you should see what the front and rear sway bars cost.
I assume you are talking about Wayne Obrey and Jim Fuchs F40 race car. I must admit I tried to get a michelotto pedal box never found one, I certainly would have paid a "reasonable" price for one, I am not sure $8,000 is reasonable, but it is all relative, I have a $300,000 truck to haul my F40 around in, so I guess I have no room to *****! You really need to post pics, you must have the best F40 around!
Chris, I've been dying to do this upgrade every since I saw your car at Cavallino. Short of bringing the car out West are the plans (or kit) available so I can have my shop do the upgrade with the Tilton dual master? Thanks Jon
Chris, I'm sure that you can afford anything that you want to, that's not the question. I am a race car parts junkie and I read every catalog and web site there is. It was only because of your posts that I could get Brembo to build the set-up that I have. Thanks you. Thanks to Mark and Eric at Brembo as well. I saw those 8-piston calipers in the Truechoice catalog for years and I assumed that they sold them. When I enquired, they said that they had never sold any. When I finally got a quote for the calipers they were $2900-$3200 each. I almost fell over but had to have them. I was planning to make all of the hats and brackets when Brembo offered to do it if I bought the kit. Seems that eerything on this car has to be modified or fitted, nothing was bolt on until this kit. I had to modify the E brake. Mark ordered the calipers from Europe and told me that they were not for sale in the states. I had to wait until the end of rally season to get them since they were in low supply. The final price was less than $10K, they gave me a hell of a deal. The deal was so good that I didn't squeal when I was told that the fluid bottles were about 250 each.(you have the same ones). I have been really lucky that Dean Romer at WWOC has a Miclelotto contact, when he gives me the price, I pay. You can't get the stuff anywhere else, so it's best to buy two. REFLEX seems to have a connection as well. REFLEX, the next time that you go to Michelotto, please count me in I would love to go. I'll even pick-up the tab for travel, meals , and accomodations. By the way, the company that makes my wheels is featured in the thread that states"the japanese have good taste...". The F50 is wearing my wheels, only mine are black.
I would like to see some pics of your F40, Mr. Knowitall. It would really help me visualize some of the cool mods you're describing.
If you look at all of the f40 on Sheehans website, you will find the car with the triple master pedal box. It also has the Michelotto endurance brake set-up. There is also a picture of the pedal box in the 288 evo book. I have the same bodywork as the LM GTE and the same calipers 8 Piston used on Carbon rotors). There are multiple Lm's on that site, look at all, very educational. As I said, Dean Romer can get you all of the parts. Michelotto also makes a short shift kit with a reverse lockout gate. Problem is that it is steel and does not have the gate relieved like the Hill shift plate. I'm surprised more of you guys don't use this. It really helps. I reproduced the Michelotto gate in titanium. I also made a steering wheel adapter to remove the collapsable adapter and allow the use of the Porsche cup steering wheel adapter quick release so it does not reposition the wheel. I had to extensively lighten the adapter piece since it's steel and quite heavy. It's on my list to reproduce in Titanium. Does one exist in Ti already?
That price is stupid. Just because it's a $300k car doesn't mean it needs to cost extra. Now if you are performing a "restoration" on a car and it came with a particular piece like that I can justify it easy. I've easily paid $6-$10k for a correct restoration part, but really $8k for a bracket? We fabricate dual master setups all the time for Ferrari and Porsche. The last one I milled on my bridgeport for a 355 bolts right on to the existing box. I charged $600 and felt guilty that it cost that much. Chris your part looks simple and strong as you need for that application. It seems you could send me detailed photos of all angles and I could fabricate one from scratch to look the same for that kind of money. Draw it up, machine a prototype, send it to casting and have a small run for less.
I called Chris. He will get me pricing info in a little while - he's a little busy working on Chris P.'s gearbox.
Resurrecting this thread... I am finally getting around to wanting to do a dual master cylinder setup on my F40 over the winter. A while ago, I upgraded the brakes to the bigger Brembos that require the 18" wheels. It stops better, but the brakes start to fade too quickly after an hour+ of aggressive driving on twisty roads. I've already put better cooling ducts on, but I really think it's now time to go to a dual-master system. I called the number for Chris in this thread, but it's no longer in service. Anyone got a lead on who I can talk to in order to get a dual-master setup like this for my car? Thanks in advance, Steve
If you are interested, a few pics of the setup I offer. Customer really likes the change and the car really stops well. this car has the brembo gt brake kit, duel master setup with remote bias adjust, 18" fiske rims with Yokehama slicks, Penske 3-way adjustable suspension with eibich springs, energy suspension bushings and installed fire system for the cockpit and engine. Best regards, Jim Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
