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F40 on Fire in Monaco

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  1. ChipG

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  3. joe sackey

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    "Carrozzeria Zanasi of 31, Via Farina Guiseppe in Maranello is a point of reference in classic Ferrari restoration. Their close collaboration with the factory began in 1964 when Enzo Ferrari was looking for a skilled artisan to help repair his accident-damaged racing cars and he met the young and talented Umberto Zanasi, and the partnership began. The Carrozzeria work closely with the Ferrari 'Classiche' Department, and prepare cars for the issue of Ferrari Certificates of Authenticity the special certification for all road-going Ferraris over 20 years old and all Ferrari competition cars. The facility is managed by factory trained technicians with experience in repairing Ferrari and Maserati according to Factory standards. Having been lightly used for all those years, in 2016 the Ferrari was entrusted to Carrozzeria Zanasi and a full restoration to prepare it for Classiche certification was commissioned. This was duly carried out (details in the ownership file) and Classiche Certification granted"
     
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  4. Albert-LP

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    That's correct, Joe: Zanasi is a top level official Ferrari body shop. But it's not necessary to send the car to Zanasi: you just have to rebuild it with original and correct spare parts and Ferrari will certify the car, of course. Yes, Zanasi is a "warranty", but here around in Italy, in Modena and not only, there are many others that can do such an important work with a guarantee red book at the end.

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  5. PAUL500

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    Yes that is the eurospares example I mentioned earlier, so at least the components used can be traced back to a reputable source, I imagine even they would struggle to have all the parts needed to put together many more though, it would take quite a trawl of the world but no doubt could be done if someone was determined enough.

    Far easier to build a LM lookalike instead, less original bits and bobs needed given their stripped out nature.
     
  6. PAUL500

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    #155 PAUL500, Mar 13, 2020
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    You have gone off on a tangent now though, as the original claim related to the example that was split in two, which could actually have been rebuilt into a new chassis rather than being a ground up new car as you stated.

    Rowan Atkinsons F1 suffered a similar accident to the LA Enzo, the insurance company elected to have it rebuilt rather than written off as the provenance of the car had a greater value than the sum of its parts, so it was a cost saving exercise for them, I believe the LA Enzo was actually owned by a UK finance house, they may well have had a similar view at the time.

    Yes I have seen pics of the original and replacement VIN plates for one of the Enzo you now mention, clearly the plates are not one in the same in that case, the vid on you tube shows nothing on that car could have been transferred, it was burned to the ground and unlike the F40 with its steel spaceframe that can in cases be re jigged, the carbon chassis of an enzo would be toast! it is those example that fit into the grey area of legislation regarding re use of numbers.

    Again not illegal to do though, just down to the country in which the car gets re registered as to whether it meets their own criteria of acceptance.

    The Ex Gilmour F40 cannot officially return to the UK as its original registration details have been struck from the records, however by a quirk of the system, if it were to be re registered in another country first, then even though the VIN number remains the same, it could return in its new overseas guise and be allocated a fresh registration that has no association with its previous UK one!

    At the level of values these cars now circle in, I guess the more dubious ones end up in countries where red tape is more easily overcome and owners have less concerns about their past, they still get the accolade of ownership for a much lower outlay.
     
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  8. ChipG

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    So you guys are saying don't forget to run the $19 CarFax on Classiche certified cars. :)
     
  9. PAUL500

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    Which would only highlight those cars for which an insurance claim has been made in the US!

    The safer bet would be to purchase through a known marque specialist, who would have carried out significant global due diligence, or consult a known marque historian, anybody know any of those? :p
     
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  10. Ferrari27

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    This is the ex David Gilmour car. When the car was at auction this was described as "an engine bay fire"!

    There are some similarities between the fire-damage to this car and the recent Monaco incident.

    Photo from the Reina Autoform facebook page:

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  11. Ferrari27

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    Does anyone know what happened to the car described as 80726 after it was withdrawn from the Silverstone Auctions sale at Blenheim Palace in 2017?
     
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  13. PAUL500

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  14. joe sackey

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    No please, we don't need another franken-mod described as an LM, it was an early plexi sliding windows car, it would be great to have it come back as it was originally built.

    He's banned, you're flogging the proverbial dead horse ;)

    IMO there is honor and great satisfaction in it coming back the way it was originally built, rescuing it as also a nod of respect to the original artisans who built it in the first place.

    My advice to a client would be to drop it off @ Zanasi and be done with it, 18 months to 2 years later you'll have a brand new F40 to correct original spec.
     
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  15. BJK

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    Great pics! Thanks
     
  16. Natkingcolebasket69

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    How can you salvage a car as badly burnt as the Monaco one? Can we even say it’s the same car?


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  17. BJK

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    All you need is the VIN# and money. Done ;)
     
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  18. john a barnes

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    Really hurts to look at the pictures if your'e a car guy.! Is the extinguisher still in the frunk?
     
  19. PAUL500

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    It actually looks like a work or art, installation piece in that pristine setting
     
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  20. Veedub00

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    rebuilding that car is not possible. building a recreation and assigning this VIN to it is possible. Realistically its not the same car at all. Legally it would be. It's fun to think about. Ship of Theseus.
     
  21. joe sackey

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    It should be donated to Ferrari Museo and displayed just like that with a small plaque which states: F40, regular maintenance required.
     
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  22. PAUL500

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    You would be amazed how much could actually be salvaged from that mess, once the detritus is carefully removed, and the melted plastic chipped off, a lot of components underneath may be blackened but could be refurbished.

    Yes a hell of a lot will need to also be sourced (all the panels are available still), the frame will be re jigged, the engine block and possibly the heads should be ok, the magnesium case of the gearbox may have survived under the crud, the whole front end is fine, wheels are ok as will be the brakes etc etc.

    I have rebuilt possibly worse.

    The F40 is pretty basic in comparison to other supercars, anything more modern would need far more bits and bobs and if they do not have the enhanced value over the original sales price then it would not make it worthwhile
     
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    those pics hurt my eyes !
    but they will rebuild it.

    i believe the location is the dealer in monaco whose garage is about 2 blocks above the gp start finish line.
     
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  24. Lemacc

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    The car is sold to a german Ferrari dealer.
     
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  25. joe sackey

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    I'll pray for him.
     
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  26. Mr. Francesco

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    Happy it was driven.

    Sad to see it destroyed.

    Curious if it will be rebuilt.
     

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