F40 or Enzo Ferrari and why

I just answered the opening question, that is "Do you prefer F40 or Enzo? and why?": I wrote which and why.

ciao

 

Actually the quote is:
[On which Ferrari model he liked the most] "That which is yet to be built.
The car which I have not yet created."

Even he would hardly argue that the 348 was the best car when it was the next one launched!

That he might have preferred F40 over Enzo is by no means inconsistent with what he actually said.

 

Indeed that was the exact quote, but the meaning is the same. The more evolved car is the one he liked more.

 

No. It is obviously not the same. Being a shrewd salesman, all he said is that the best car is yet to come. He says nothing about whether a newer car is better than an older one. So the next car could be a dog yet the best car is still coming.

 

Who cares? Some like older cars some like newer.

 

Maybe Enzo would for the Enzo because he's Enzo? Jimmy Two Times would vote for the La Ferrari because it's named in honor of himself (and Sirhan and Boutrous), except that it's not an option in this poll ...

 

Well, I own a f40 together with quite a few special Fcars, and when I am asked which one I prefer, I cannot respond but always think that the F40 would be the last one I could get rid of....
Just my two cents...
Jacques

 

I respect your opinion. It didn 't like it on the track though. Explosive, yes, but not as well sorted as more modern cars.

 

How well sorted was the F40 is another question? Thats most important with any early era supercar. Its very obvious a new one will be better sorted.

 

Is this a troll? The Enzo has aged like the finest wines, it’s absolutely more breathtaking with time.

 

That is the whole point.

 

While this point has already been discussed above from post 27 , I'd say an F40 feels pretty well sorted in the hands of a competent driver.

 

It’s all relative. For its time the F40 was mind blowing from a performance stand point. Comparing it to cars of a later generation isn’t an appropriate gauge.

 

Enzo, six times a week, then twice on Sundays. Better looking (IMO), far rarer, and that V12 is, to me, a masterpiece.

 

It doesn't matter in the slightest of course but I completely disagree. I thought the Enzo looked weird and ungainly at launch and it's got worse with time. The front and back appear to have been designed by two different people and where as the F50 rises majestically to that rear wing the Enzo slopes away apologetically and just disappears. Agree about that angry V12 though!

 

Apples are better than oranges.

Discuss.

 

I want an F40 more than I want any other thing on the planet.


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which do you prefer - posing or driving?

 

There are some spectacular examples available, we sold 2 of them this month to people who feel the same as you do.

 

Joe can you tell us the sale range of an F40 in today’s market?
I’ve often thought of trading all my cars for one but need to probably find and count more change in my couch.

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That would be helpful for me too - I am considering an F40 at some point over the next 6-24 months. I want to use it (2k pa) and keep for my own collection. I want a Euro spec car for the UK so I realise the market in the US is different but any knowledge from someone involved in trading them is very helpful research. For example, the relative values of non cat, non adjust cars to non adjust only or cat and adjust cars, plus the real difference in usability on the road? Also, how much does mileage influence values? Classiche is important for me, but how much does stuff like the lack of visible weave make a difference?

It might sound odd to consider values for a car I will keep but it is important to me not to burn cash heavily if that can be avoided and a bit of knowledge would help to decide how much to pay and what sort of car suits me best. I also wonder about what happens if there is a downturn - more frequently traded types will be hit harder I presume, whereas the most valuable cars (pre 1990 and ultra low miles at a guess) would probably not be? Thanks for any help.

 

Nice F40s anywhere from 1 to 1.5m, with the proviso that the market is always evolving.

You really have to assess what’s available when you are ready to buy.

 

I defer to experts like Joe on valuation but a few thoughts for consideration (I have no idea how familiar you are with the car, so apologies in advance if any of this already obvious):

1) As you are planning to drive say 10k over 5 yrs then I would imagine a relatively higher mile "driver" will more optimal with respect to depreciation if that is important. They are some very good 15-20k mile cars in the UK.

2) While early, non-cat, non-adjust cars are widely considered to be desirable and valued higher, at least in our pot holed and speed bump filled streets in the UK an adjustable car is very useful. Otherwise, you need plan your route quite carefully. I have had two cars spanning approx 15 years, and the non-adjust car has eaten quite a few spoilers over time. The adjustable shock ECU can be troublesome, but once sorted, they are reliable if used and parked correctly.

3) Non cat cars are often preferred for weight and sound reasons, but it is worth watching some emerging city centre regulations on non-cat cars, especially in Germany if you plan on continental tours.

4) Classiche: if this is important then you need a stock exhaust. Many (myself included) prefer an after market such as a tubi. With annual validation requirements for Claissche, it is a pain to maintain. The only reason I still have it is to be able to partake in certain Ferrari events for which a Classiche is a pre-requisite. Swapping exhausts for every inspection is also a pain as you need to tune the wastegate system each time afterwards for the change in back pressure.

5) Paint: The presence of weave is considered desirable but I personally do not place any reliance on it. Only a thorough check on both sides of a panel will suffice. Most panels can be inspected with the undertray off (which would be part of a PPI). Incidentally, it is much harder to cover up major damage to a panel on the inside because of the kevlar inner layer. I have also seen some restored panels which have been stripped and repainted with the same thin layer of paint as the original cars (approx 2l per car).which continue to display weave. Typically repainting with a "normal" amount paint leaves no weave. Finally, the body panels are not carbon fibre but sandwich of glass fibre/nomex honeycomb and kevlar. The weave is actually dimples from the way the material sets over the honeycomb layer. Many cars have been repainted purely for cosmetic reasons because the original paint yellows over time in some cases. I would say the presence of weave doesn't seem universal on all original F40s (assume manufacturing process/supplier related) whereas most F50s do.

6) Fire safety: if you are planning to drive the car as much as you say, then ensuring that the car is safe is perhaps more important than the cosmetics. The condition of the hoses, unions as well as tanks are critical. It is worth checking that if rubber parts etc have perished which could be the case in a low mile/irregular use car.Since I track regularly, I follow a somewhat anal safety regime - see post https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/145313919 .

I am not in any sense an expert in the above, just basing these comments on my ownership experience. Good luck with your search.

 

F40 and Enzo are such completely different cars I cannot imagine anyone needing to make that choice. Its like asking to decide between a limousine and an SUV.

 

I am sure not but I am also sure most who have driven it revere it.