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F430 Ball Joint Rubbers

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  1. phil the brit

    phil the brit Formula 3
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    I have just had my F430 serviced by Ferrari dealership in UK and they highlighted that two lower ball joint rubbers had splits in them. Ball joints are fine but rubbers not.
    The charge for replacing these would be £345.46 PER RUBBER. Now that seems a little excessive.
    Can this be a DIY job and does anyone know of a step by step guide to follow? Alternatively could I give this job to an ordinary garage to do or is Ferrari dealership expertise essential.
    I am only changing rubbers, not the ball joints themselves.
    Thanks
    Phil
     
  2. Ricambi America

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    That number doesn't sound right for simply the labor + new rubber boot. I'd verify with the dealer before pulling the fire alarm. The job can be done in situ, and there are two boots per ball-joint. The expense of Hysol is spread among all the ball joints too
     
  3. mike32

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    You can remove the arm with the ball joint in place- then just change the rubbers without removing the ball joint from the arm. Each rubber is about £18 each from superperformance or hill engineering. Send me an e mail address and i will talk you through it if u give me a ring.
     
  4. John_K_348

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    The stock ball joints are such a bad design (chrome over mild steel) that if you are doing the labor to remove the control arms, I would go ahead and swap out the joints for Hill replacements (stainless), boots, and never look back. You may even get away with doing just uppers, or lowers, or all fronts only. But this would be around a grand for the parts and hysol as opposed to just $80 for boots.
     
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  5. mike32

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    They charge £400 in labour for one in uk, plus parts
     
  6. Motob

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    I would just wait until the joints wear out (which they will regardless of if the boots are torn or not), and start clunking over bumps. Then replace the boots and joints with good Hill Engineering parts. The labor to access the everything is the same, with the exception of pressing the old joints out. I use a bushing press tool to remove the old joint that doesn't require removal of the control arm from the car, so the additional labor is not very much.
     
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  7. mike32

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    Its fine if u have a lift but i did mine on a floor jack so you have to remove the arm.
     
  8. John_K_348

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    Good info. I would remove the arms anyway as mine need new bushings too.
     
  9. kiryu

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    I recently did a PPI on a scud, they found play in the front lower control arms. The ferrari master tech who worked in the dealer for 25 years (now an indy) says it's better to replace the whole arm with factory part ($1300USD per arm) as it's tricky to swap out the Hill engineering ball joints with more labor (he mentioned special tools needed plus you need to bake the rubber in the oven etc.). I am wondering what's the consensus on this common issue.
    Did anyone tackle this repair with just the ball joints and are satisfied with the results?
     
  10. mwstewart

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    The experience of others may vary but I changed the front lower ball joints on my car for the first time this year and from start to finish I took just over one hour for both sides. It's childs play.
     
  11. mike32

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    The tech who is telling you to spend that sort of money on a simple ball joint change is having you on. The extractor from hill engineering is about $70 or you can make one up.
    The upper ball joints are easier than the lowers but its not rocket science.
    In ref to putting in the oven to cure the adhesive, easy enough as only low temp for about 40 mins.
    As long as you have the right tools and a bit of common sense it is fairly simple. I saved about $900 doing my front lower ones. I previously did all 4 upper ball joints.
    Be sure to fit hill engineering bits and not ferrari
     
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  12. kiryu

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    very informative, thanks for sharing
     
  13. mike32

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    If u decide to do this yourself i can e mail u a bit of a guide as how to go about it. Also look on e bay for a CD copy of the workshop manual, it shows all the bits and torque settings etc.
    will probably come by mail from Italy and very cheap.
     
  14. kiryu

    kiryu Formula Junior

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    guess what, I asked my local ferrari dealer, they want almost $8000 in parts for control arms and $1600 in labor, or $3000 in bushings and $2500 in labor to replace all of them hahaha. WOW...
     
  15. kiryu

    kiryu Formula Junior

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    Thank you!! that would be great appreciate it very much. If i am not confident in doing it myself, at least I know the ballparks of what's needed and how to do it and pass it onto the indy
     
  16. mike32

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    Leave it with me as will take an hour or 2 to get it right. Order the cd via e bay , about 20 to 30$ by post
     
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  17. mike32

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    E mail address please to send this info
     
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  18. mike32

    mike32 Formula 3

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    I have written up a set of instructions if u want a copy
     
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  19. RedNeck

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    I did my ball joints the first year I got my car. It’s nothing. As long as the control arms aren’t all wallered out there is absolutely no reason to replace them.
     
  20. APA#1

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    Good mechanics can still actually fix things. The new breed are just part replacers.

    Your starter might need a $100 starter solenoid, nah, just replace the 2K starter. You need a $50 voltage regulator in your alternator, nah, just replace that $1800 alternator. Your ball joints are a good example.
     

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