F430 Challenge brake pads part# and suppliers

I just checked that all the CCB equipped V8 cars use the same shape brake pads (Stradale, 430CCB, 430 Scuderia, 430 Challenge). However, the Challenge car uses a track compound not the street pads that wear out so quickly with track use.

Any info on part#, availability and price is greatly appreciated. PM me if that works better.

Thanks a lot

 

Fronts 70001122, Rears 70001123. Retail $824 per axle. They still seem to wear out pretty quickly, but at least they're far less painful than the rotors!
Mark

 

Mark, by any chances do you know (or anyone for this matter) the part# for the rear rotors?

Thanks for the info on the pads. Really helpful !

 

Sadly, I have too many invoices with those numbers.....
Rear Rotor 220676 $3171 EACH
Front Rotor 224859 $4122 EACH!

 

hi i had a special set of rotors and pads made for a challange car or a car with ccr system that do not wear out chip out in any application street or track i have them on a challenge car for a year and half they are not even scratched .

 

PM Sent

 

Rad, I love what you're doing to your Scuderia!

 

It's going on a diet, another 125 lbs, with A/C, Nav, CD player, ipod and power doors/windows/mirrors.

By the way, I don't buy the Ferrari published empty weight of 2,700 lbs for the F430C. I got the major part differences F430/Scuderia together with estimated weight, and nothing adds up, even before adding the full cage. I think the real number with all fluids and no fuel is between 2,750 lbs and 2,800 lbs.

 

Sorry for posting here, I didn't found the info somewhere else.
Do some of you know how much the F430 Challenge cost when new?
I mean the whole car, and running the season, without including damages or replacements.
The same info about the 360/355/348 would be equally appreacited.

THANKS

 

i have the brembo steel convertion kit

 

Anyone know if the challenge ccm discs are the sam size as the road car ccm discs ??

 

Hi,

The challenge rotors are 398mm where as the road cars had 380mm rotors.
i think the Scudi has the 398mm option

The challenge cars had a new compound pad introduced later on to help with fade and wear.

Interestingly i have been told by my ENDLESS brake supplier that the guys at ENDLESS have developed pads specific for CCM and they claim great improvement in performance and life on track.

http://www.endlessusa.com

 

Thanks Oscar

Any ideas if the rear discs are the same size ... from what I can work out they seem to be both 350mm ??

 

yip thats correct.

rear are 350mm dia on all CCM F430

 

Just for clarification.

The Scuderia, 16M and F430 Challenge use the same front rotors (398mm) and unique pads. The standard F430 CCB and 360 Stradale use the smaller 380mm CCB front rotors and different calipers.

The front brake pads on these 3 cars are compatible, Scuderia/16M use a street compound not good for track use, and Challenge uses an old compound (Pagid RS19) and a newer compound with more friction (no info on the Pagid compound but I suspect they are using Pagid P50 or RS29).

The rear CCB rotors are the same size (350mm) for all the following cars: F430 Challenge, F430, 360 Stradale, Scuderia and 16M. The F430 Challenge uses a Pagid RS19 rear compound.

Pagid RS19 is an endurance compound, Pagid has replaced this compound with the RS29 that has a shorter life and a wider operating temperature range.

 

I'm just upgrading from front 380mm x 32mm CS brakes to F430 Challenge calipers and associated 398mm x 34mm CCM discs. I currently have a set of brand new (unused) yellow ceramic RS29 pads which fit the CS calipers and 380mm discs. Will they fit the 430 Challenge 398mm calipers/discs?

So, can you confirm are the 398mm calipers and 380mm pads the same sizes? I expected the 398mm calipers to use unique pads [larger]. I have a set of original F430 Challenge but am yet to compare them...

 

Trev, the CS pads are different, vastly different.

If the rotors you got are from a F430 Challenge, you will need to change your hubs to center lock, because the hole diameter is larger in the F430 Challenge compared to the same size hole used in the 360/F430/Scuderia/16M. You could also use the center bells from your 360CS rotors, but not sure if they bolt to the F430 challenge CCB rotors.

The front pads in the 360CS and F430 with CCB have the same shape. The front pads in the F430 Challenge also used by Scuderia/16M is much bigger in width and height, radically different to the 360CS/F430 front ccb brake pads.

 

On the pads front, that's what I believed. Otherwise what's the point if the pad area isn't larger!

CCM disc conversion
I have written extensively about it before but the F430 Challenge disc CCM bit is "identical" 'outers' to the Scud 398mm x 34mm scud discs, its only the inner center bells which are different fitment so you can swap them over to 'convert' them, not just from Ferrari's but from other manufacturers which are using Brembo CCM's of the same 398x34 dimensions - just by swapping the centers over!

.. In fact I also suspect the same is true of 458 CCM2 discs too, i.e. you can use the same outer's with the original center bells from your original discs fitted. Sometimes they can be a pitta to remove the centers but after some work it can be done.

As it is today I actually already have the SKF central fitment hubs but I am currently using 380mm x32mm CS discs/pads fitted because I was using CS calipers. All I did to accomplish using CS calipers and CS discs with was swap over the centers, using the original F430 Challenge rear hubs on both the front and rear of my original CCM's outers from the CS. I'll now be swapping back to the original larger CCM's outers now that I have finally sourced the F430 Challenge calipers and pads too. Thus going from 380mm up to 398mm to get maximum possible braking effort. Only reason for asking my original question was if I could re-use the original RS29 spare pads i have - obviously not. I wonder if Pagid do RS29 fitment pads for the Scud/430 Challenge pad sizes? Do you know?

Regards,

Trev
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Here's a thread where I wrote about using significantly cheaper CCM's from the Corvette ZR1 and also from other Ferrari model's but just using the original center bells (swapped over) so they still fit. You can save a packet...

http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?45155-Super-cheap-Brembo-CCM-s...-Possible

 

no RS29 or RS19 available from Pagid in F430 Challenge/Scuderia pads shape. Only the Ferrari Challenge compound (Pagid abrasive RS15).

 

Thanks, which pads do you run with on the fast road/track?

Are you running these more abrasive F430 Challenge pads or the standard road car ones? The friction on RS15's looks awesome when warmed up a bit, what are they like from stone cold? I warm up the RS29's after just a few corners so I imagine these RS15's may be even better (just a little worse for wear.. ).