"You might want to update your Public Profile to include the Ferrari you own" It's plainly visible on my avitar and has been since the end of February!
If you "care' so much about the Ferrari community, why not spend the $10 to subscribe and become a subscribed member? I honestly thought you were just ignorant but judging by the above comment, I think it's obvious you just want a $20 cupholder. The cupholder is worth what people will pay for it, not what a no reserve auction says it's worth
"Does the rubberized plastic hold up well and not peel after multiple usage over time?" The question is a good one, but it is one that I cannot answer as I have nothing to do with this item. I merely advanced the information on its availability and cost for the benefit of those of interest on this forum. There was a thread on this subject about 2 weeks ago which went unanswered as to availability. You would have to direct those inquiries directly to Kevin at the phone number posted. I can tell you that I have today sent him my $ for it (and not $29.00). If MVP does produce one in CF, I'll subsequently take a look at that one. Either way I am glad to have found one. I am certain there are others as well. BTW, the digression of this thread will have to be placed upon the hands of others.
The idea looks good to me. The price looks high. I don't know the cost of what all is involved but you could sell quite a few more at a lower price. If it fits all the cars mentioned that is a lot of potential sales. I suspect at 30/each you would sell 20x more than at 150 each. Good luck and I hope you make a fortune.
I would love a CF one (with a rubber bottom) - Give that I have ordered have upper and lower CF zones as well as engine bay, and brakes, etc. I am obviously dumb enough to pay up for this stuff. I understand the tooling costs for limited production as well - a guesstimate at this point would be great on timing and price.
So basically this replaces the ashtray, right? We might make some in carbon fiber - we're already making tooling for a few other pieces in this area.
Also, that looks like a really skinny bottle of water - would a fatter bottle or a coffee cup get in the way of the handbreak? It looks like it might on a 360 anyway.
"would a fatter bottle or a coffee cup get in the way of the handbreak?" That's "brake" Please no broken parts! I'll let you know in a few days. Mine is on the way. I'll take before and after pictures as well and post them.
That is a clever idea. We were asked to do the same thing for the 348 ashtray a while back but could never get too it. (Sorry Steve A!) If you stick to 500ml bottled water I think the ashtray thing will work. Below is a picture of a CF alternative for those who still scoff at having a cup holder in a Ferrari! You can get just the lid or the cup as well. Its actually a good match but the flash makes our CF a bit shinier than the OEM stuff. And I'll weigh in on the price debate...... If the project is being done as a hobby item then I can see something like the $29 price. The 355 AC panel, the 308 intake lettering, and metal Mondial center console are all examples of projects launched by Fchatters. There was a problem and they decided to come up with a solution. But they do it in their spare time as something fun to do and get the community to buy a few to offset the production costs. And even with no $ charged for their time, I don't think anything has been under $50. Those guys have a day job to pay the bills..... Mr Audio Illusions (cup maker), MAcarbon, Valence, etc... have to make a profit selling these things in order to stay in business. If it takes a couple of weeks to develop the solution, guess how many Ferrari cup holders you would have to sell at $29 to recoup your investment? And that assumes they cost you only a few bucks to make - which is very unlikely. Even if its not made of CF! Anyway, very cool idea and I can't wait to see everyones feedback. Let the CF cup holder war begin! john Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ok, so here's the update on the fabulous cup holder! It was a bit of a surprise, as there was no sender's name on the package! I had no idea what was inside, and it was wrapped in a blue paper gas station towel! So, I unwrap this package, and it takes a minute to figure out what this is. There are two items; the plastic part and a 2 1/4" round felt pad with an adhesive strip on the back. This sounds crazy I know, but when you are as busy as I, you receive an item with no identification it takes a while to put it together what it is! Ok, the light goes off, and I figure this is the long awaited cupholder! What a surprise! The top measures 3 3/4" X 3 5/8", and it stands 2 1/2" tall. Is it worth the $149.00? Well that depends on whether it serves the intended purpose! I'll have to give you part II later. I have attached photos which are somewhat poor, beacsue there is something wrong with my camera. I am beginning to think the $ would have been better spent on a new camera! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
its sad to see people charging $150 for that I see it as taking advantage of Ferrari owners because someone thinks that because we own Ferraris, we have money to waste
"sorry to say, but u got jacked" I would say an unequivocal yes to this except that: A) I am addicted to Diet Coke B) Someone finally made a cupholder C) Have not seen anything else close to it that would fit d) It can serve my needs. Now, I agree that it is very pricey, and it's obviously very pricey for what it is, but if it works, that's ok with me. So, in all it's not too bad, but would be much better in CF. It does hold a regular soda can. Whether the handbrake gets in the way is another issue with which I will deal this W/E when I install it. I will photograph and document the blessed event. I do notice that there are no mold marks, but it apparently is made for another application and by chance fits the 360/430. It is fairly rugged plastic, however. Ok you CF guys-Valence, MACarbon, others-why not?
As mentioned earlier in the thread it depends on the tooling costs and volumes. I used to be in product development and signed off on almost every invoice. A plastic part that we could make for $0.50 in 100K quantities would cost us $30-100 in under 100 quantities. But that's what we had to pay to build the first lot of prototypes and these prices were typically at COST from manufacturing partners that were bidding for the volume contract and so had strong incentives to keep charges down. People are so used to cheap plastic parts and judge the cost in comparison to toys and gadgets. They don't realize that the first one costs many $K's, the next 100 costs $10-100's, and the next million costs <$1.
No reason why not, as long as clearance isn't an issue. I think others have been most accurate in their assessment of costs for low-volume applications, and as John knows carbon fiber is in some ways more cost effective and in some ways less cost-effective to produce in small quantities than "regular plastic." I think that these could be made in carbon fiber for a price that's in the same ballpark as the one you bought. At first glance, it looks like that one might be vacuum-formed, which would be about a billion times cheaper than injection molded for small runs.
While small run manufacturing costs are as stated, I believe this part has been made for another application and is being adapted to this one. So, I doubt the sale price is reflectice of its actual costs.
Don't forget you got a free shop rag - in the rare blue color and not the more common and less valuable red. Or was that really just a blue paper towel? No bubble wrap? I have to say for that amount, I would have hoped you'd get at least a nice piano black finish on top or something similar. Let's see a better installed pic. But it almost too simple! John
i can try and track him down if you like i live in Chatsworth, ill post up at the local post office and see who opens that PO box. WOW $149.00 Edit: After a little research it seems their site of operations is at 10009 Canoga Ave Unit A-1 Chatsworth, CA 91311.
Selling that for such a price just shows how dumb people are. Or it's a perfect case of marketing success.
"Don't forget you got a free shop rag - in the rare blue color and not the more common and less valuable red. Or was that really just a blue paper towel? No bubble wrap?" All of this is true. I did get the blue towel, but it was paper! Absolutely no bubble wrap. Very disappointed! It does come with a self-adhesive felt cup bottom, however. That's a plus. Can't tell if it is injection molded, but it may be. It is fairly sturdy plastic, and on second thought it may be made just for this application. The bold hole does line up with the one below the samml plastic ashtray when removed. This W/E's projet will tell. It will take more time to relocate the lighter socket than to install this holder. More to come. "Selling that for such a price just shows how dumb people are" Very inappropriate statement. If the item serves a purpose, it makes sense. Does paying $250K for a $180K sticker priced car make sense? What, then, is the better value?
