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  1. xMusicManDan

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    #1 xMusicManDan, Jan 19, 2024
    Hi All,

    Hoping someone can point me in the right direction - surely should be something relatively straight forward... I hope.

    I haven't driven my car in 2 weeks due to the icy weather, and forgot to attach the charger. Battery wasn't totally drained, dash would light up, but wouldn't start. All fully charged now and back to normal, except...

    My electric windows do not work anymore.
    By this I mean, the buttons do nothing, I cannot open and close.
    The drivers window did drop down when opening the door a few days ago (before charging), but will no longer go back up, so I have this little gap that means the car fills with condensation every day.
    Passenger door window will not go down when the door opens.

    So effectively I have 2 windows that just do not function.

    Process of elimination....
    Not a fuse issue - checked they're fine (plus unlikely to be two blown fuses)
    Can't be a button problem - as it's both windows, and they won't open or close with the door open/close.
    I cannot find any other electrical issues with the car, all other functions seemingly work fine.

    Any other ideas?
     
  2. windsock

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    #2 windsock, Jan 19, 2024
    Turn off your battery switch. Fully charge the battery and then turn the battery switch back on. Arm and unarm the alarm system. Turn the key on but do not start the car. Roll windows all the way down and then all the way back up and then the window drop function should be functioning. Then start the car.
     
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    #3 Qavion, Jan 19, 2024
    Just to clarify:

    You started the car without any problems after recharging?
    The windows do not function at all? (automatically or otherwise)
    Why was the driver's window still down (from two days ago)? Did you not reclose the door?

    Where is your charger attached to the car? At the battery, or somewhere else, using a chassis earth rather than the negative battery post?
     
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    #4 xMusicManDan, Jan 19, 2024
    When I tried to start the car a few days ago the window dropped down when opening the door, but didn’t go back up when closing the door. It’s at this point the car wouldn’t start. I put the car on charge, closed and locked the doors, the window still failed to close.

    The windows do not function at all, under any condition.

    The charger is located behind the passenger seat.
     
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    #5 Qavion, Jan 19, 2024
    Do you have a RHD car? Anyway, if your charger is not hooked up directly to the battery, don't turn off the battery with the cutoff switch, otherwise the battery won't charge with your charger.

    Ok, so the battery was already too flat to lift the window.

    Are you sure the battery has fully recharged? Sometimes batteries get so flat, they are impossible to recharge (especially with a trickle charger). You may get enough current to power some things, but not the heavier current-drawing devices.

    If you can't start the car, maybe try removing the battery leads and charging it directly.
     
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    #6 xMusicManDan, Jan 19, 2024
    Yes it is RHD. The trickle charge showed a fully charged battery, and the car starts without issue and drives, and all lights and other electrical items work fine, only the windows don’t work.
     
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    #7 Qavion, Jan 20, 2024
    Ok, do what @windsock says (minus the charge battery part) to see if that makes a difference.

    I can't think of anything obvious at the moment apart from a logic issue.
     
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    #8 xMusicManDan, Jan 20, 2024
    Thanks for the advice so far.

    I have cut the power as suggested, restored power, armed and unarmed the car... Windows will still not work, with the buttons or the door.
     
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    That an odd one then.

    is this a spider? If the convertible top module has requested a window down the window ECU's may be locked out. First start the car and attempt to close the top even if it is already closed. Second try to open the top and see if the windows respond.
     
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    #10 xMusicManDan, Jan 21, 2024
    Now that was a good shout! It is a Spider. And guess what... the roof doesn't work either! Seems quite logical that they're related given that the roof controls the windows. I've found a fuse diagram online - but no mention of one for the roof. Any suggestions where I can find this one? There's so many, I'd rather not go through them one by one, especially as it may not even be the problem - but surely a likely first culprit?
     
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    #11 flash32, Jan 21, 2024
    You may consider pulling codes to see if anything is being reported..e g roof sensor etc

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    #12 xMusicManDan, Jan 21, 2024
    Unfortunately, I don't have any diagnostic equipment for the Ferrari. This is sounding more and more like a job for a Ferrari Specialist :(
    Really hoping there's more suggestions coming... please?

    Side Note: Really appreciate this forum, and the amount of helpful people here!
     
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    #13 flash32, Jan 21, 2024
    Should consider buying this if not for this issue for future

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    #14 Qavion, Jan 21, 2024
    The roof fuses may look something like this (behind the left hand seat):

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    Can you hear the pump motor running?
     
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    #15 Qavion, Jan 21, 2024
    The Window ECU and the Roof ECU talk to each other on a databus. A dead Window ECU will stop the Roof ECU rolling the windows down and therefore inhibit the lowering the roof, but I'm not sure if a dead Roof ECU would inhibit the manual operation of the windows.

    If the roof fuses are ok, I would try pulling the fuse for the Roof ECU to see if you get manual operation of the windows. It should be the lower value of the two fuses. 7.5 amps?
     
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    #16 Qavion, Jan 21, 2024
    Actually, I think that's a 360 pic. The F430 WSM lists 3 fuses for the roof:

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    The maxi fuse (PSF30) is for the pump. I'm not sure why there are two mini fuses for the rest of the system, but try pulling those to see if you get manual window control.
     
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    #17 xMusicManDan, Jan 22, 2024
    That's very helpful! Thank you. It makes sense why I couldn't find it - the fuse diagrams I've found says those slots are 'position available'. Could mean the info I've found is the non-spider version, hence why they would be 'available'.

    I'll check those out today - fingers crossed one of those is the culprit.
     
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    #18 xMusicManDan, Jan 25, 2024
    Thanks again. I've checked those fuses and unfortunately it's made no difference. All fuses are fine, and even with the fuses out there's no window control. In trying the roof the other day (which didn't budge), now when starting the ignition the car thinks the roof is open, beeps and has the sign on the dash.
    Sounding like it's going to have to go to a specialist to diagnose.
     
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    #19 Qavion, Jan 25, 2024
    Sounds like @windsock hit the nail on the head. I don’t understand why pulling the fuses didn’t work, though. Most likely one of the roof position switches has failed, showing the roof open, but the switches talk to Roof ECU first and the Roof ECU talks to the Window ECU. With no power to the Roof ECU, how does the Window ECU know the roof is open? Is the window inhibit memorised?

    I wonder if pulling the fuses then resetting the battery would reset the Window ECU memory (if it has one)?

    Anyway, please let us know how you go with the specialist.
     
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    #20 flash32, Jan 25, 2024
    As I mentioned above a diag tool is needed here to diagnose the issue ..see what the roof sensors are doing or inot doing .. also see if any stores codes etc

    Even the 60 tool would read the sensors and see which is at fault




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