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F430 F1 pull-away very slow/hesitant in 1st from cold

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  1. jus

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    #1 jus, Mar 13, 2012
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2012
    Hi all,

    I've just got my first Ferrari, it is a 2006 F430 Spyder F1 with very low mileage, and it is exhibiting an unusual behavior.

    When starting from cold, the pull-away in reverse or first gear is very hesitant, i.e. the clutch doesn't really engage well (almost as if it's holding off) and there's a lot of slippage, which means the car takes quite a while to get moving, and then eventually engages the clutch fully. I'm not talking about a fast pull-away, just a regular pull-away to get moving normally.

    If you push the accelerator more aggressively the revs just rise more (no reaction from the clutching system) and you get a sense of just more clutch being unnecessarily eaten. There's no burnt clutch smell though and I try to be as gentle as possible.

    As soon as the car is underway though (which takes a few seconds) everything is fine, shifts up and down are fine, and subsequent pull-aways are fine. This behavior only happens when cold (i.e. at the start of the day's drive) and on pull-away in first / reverse. It takes quite some time to sort of get it moving backing it out of the garage.

    Having owned lots of paddle shift gearbox cars before I know that this isn't normal!

    Any ideas..?
     
  2. HH11

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    You need to have this looked at quickly. You may be damaging the clutch or the parts that touch the clutch if its not engaging properly. I have an 07 F1 430 coupe and even when its very cold outside(less than 30 degrees), what you describe never happens.
     
  3. Trent

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    I get this on mine if cold. 06 430. Thats why I back in, because its hot and thus slips less.

    I have found much less slip cold and hot in Race mode.

    How you modulate the gas pedal also can help, but describing the method is tedious, just try different methods.

    I have also found that sometimes it slips more than others, and a shut down (car OFF) and restart usually gives me a much better clutch engage when cold. i.e. I start the car, pull forward out of my garage, then in the street pulling forward I feel a bit too much slip, so I turn the car off, and fire it back up and its usually much better.

    Hey the car is cold, you cant expect it to perform 100%. My porsche transmissions (manual) also act differently, in a negative way, when cold, as does my Lexus, motorcycle, helicopter, jet pack, etc.
     
  4. Trent

    Trent Formula 3

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    Here is a video of my 430 starting in 1st with a view of the tach so you can see the clutch slip. The engine/Trans is warm I know. Maybe you can take a similar video showing your issue. Maybe two, one cold one warm.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MwHuJPkEtc[/ame]
     
  5. rustybits

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    the clutch should be fully closed around 1500rpm. Much higher and the pis needs adjustment. There is no excuse for poor adjustment on the 430, software can be updated simply, the late level software is great and pis self-regulation works perfectly, unlike the 360. Also, reverse will always have a higher degree of slip, hot or cold. In reverse gear the clutch will never fully close at any speed or load. That's why reversing uphill is the biggest killer of f1 clutches.
     
  6. jus

    jus Rookie

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    Thanks guys. Guess a dealer visit is in order. Is there not some kinda clutch learn procedure like on my ex Maserati..?
     
  7. Nashtyboy

    Nashtyboy Formula Junior

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    My 06 does this as well, the first time I roll out in first gear in the morning. By the time I make it to the end of the street & pull away from the stop sign, it's fine. Figured it was just temperamental like that. Although the first time it happened I had a real hard time getting it the gear to fully engage (was really mashing the gas and it felt like I was in molasses), so I stopped the car and restarted it. Then it was fine. I have it on the list of things for the dealer to check when I bring it out for a service, but because it fixes itself so quickly, I haven't been that worried about it.
     
  8. HH11

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    Seems to be linked to 06 F1 spiders ;)
     
  9. tyke

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    After nearly 3 years with my 2008 F430 F1 I have noticed that the clutch consistently slips more after the first cold start of the day. Not excessive and only on my first reverse out of the garage. No big deal

    However when I was in Switzerland last June I experienced my first cold start pullaway in reverse (and first gear) in RAIN mode. The clutch slip was massive - 4000rpm and just creeping. To avoid damage I stopped by the road side to contemplate hmm what next - tow truck etc... That was when I noticed the manetino in rain mode. Put it into sport and car was fine. Since then the car has been to the dealers with no fault found.

    Conclusion - never use rain mode. I used it because they day before it was tipping down. However the shifts were slewed and crap and then after the awful clutch slip the next day I will never use it again.
     
  10. dodgeboy

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    My F430 F1 has the same behavior. My dealer told me the system is designed to have 'some"programmed slippage. This slippage is greater while backing up and while cold for the first few minutes. My car behaves exactly like he predicted. Its 100% fine after its warm. There has to be some transistion to emualate what a clutch would do if it were a manual vs direct connection. This is common. He offered a few basic "pointers" if possible to aid the wear: minimize the amount your use reverse if possible and also let the system warm best you can and then "take off with purpose" vs feathered pedal bevavior. Also taking off on hills adds to the issue, so park with that in mind. The last tip was use the manual sport mode vs the pure automatic mode. In short you using the automated clutching system less. some clutching is clearly required to phase in the power, but how you modulate may contribute to wear. I can attest, my car has 13K miles and only 19 % wear which Im told is very good. I suspect the good wear numbers are linked to me following the advice.

    I hope this helps you. I dont thing anything is wrong with your car.

     
  11. Daryl Zernick

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    My 08 is doing this now too.
     
  12. HH11

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    lol...a 10 year old post that was made in jest.
     

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