F430 headers

Thanks for the reference!
Cheers.

 

Anders, I have quite a different information related to the torque values of the manifolds:

Exhaust manifolds fastening 25 Nm (From the General engine tightening torques list)
Manifold clamp nut 25 Nm
Lambda sensor 50 Nm (Apply Antifriction copper grease)
Thermocouple 10 Nm (Apply Antifriction copper grease)

Stef

 

I think this is correct. 75Nm on the M8 nuts is a lot. 25 Nm feels better.

//A

 

75Nm is what the workshop manuals indicate when the reassembly of the manifold.
It makes sense because the vibration, 25 Nm to the clamp is acceptable because it use springs.

But if you feel safe with 25Nm go for it.

 

Ok - I think I got the torqe for a M8 in Al in my arm. Will check if it is close to 25 or to 75Nm.

Thanks all.

//A.

 

Thanks David. It's interesting that we don't have to same info in the WSM. Is this torque info indicated in section B7.08? In my version, only the manifold clamp nut torque is indicated. Not a big deal, just interesting to know

 

Stef,
Yeah, it is interesting why are different numbers.
Here is where I got it;
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Cool, thanks David, I understand now why. Your WSM is for the 360 while mine is of the 430 Indeed, the bolt fastening the catalytic converter to the manifold is also 75Nm in section B7.06 of the 430 WSM But for the nuts of the manifold to the crankcase, it is definitely 25Nm

 

Just checked what I had on my torque wrench when I fitted the Fabspeed manifold. 25 Nm.
Just my arm feeling.

Now - wouldn´t it be very easy for manufactures like Fabspeed / Capristo - together with their expensive product - send a A4 instruction sheet? With hints and torque numbers?
Can´t be that hard, can it? I don´t want to guess these numbers.

Got the Capristo remote controll. No instructions whatsoever. Checked their www - nothing.

I hope responsible sales managers of both companies read this - then they know exactly what to do.

//Anders

 

Anders, I would ceriously claim to Capristo a detailled technical documentation of the remote control. There are things that need to be known like the type of power supply (key on, fuse amp etc). Also, it's important to understand how the unite operates. I wrote them an email last week as I'm also interested to install the remote control but before ordering it, I ask them to provide me all technical information first. There are other solutions on the market which are well documented as Ferrari is not the only one having exhaust valves...

 

Hi Anders,
Here is all the instructions to connect the remote valves courtesy of Rob at VividRacing and his support. I hope this helps all the new capristo owners!
Capristo = Insanity
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Hello StefVan,
Today is Sunday - tomorrow Monday. I´ll hunt them down tomorrow.

It is so easy to make a misstake. You know the one I made with Fabspeed and the lamda sond extentions? No instructions at all. Absolutely nothing. Capristo the same.
Since I bought both the manifold and the 200 cell cats from Fabspeed I got 4 extensions. Now - if you have 4 lamdasonds on the car - how easy is it to use all four extensions? Pretty easy. I don´t swap manifolds that often. Could have ruined the whole engine.
It seems that they don´t understand what customer satisfaction means.

Or - lets say that you tighten the manifold to tight - and break the threads in the alloy head? Then you are in real trouble. Just becauce you don´t know the torque.

I have succesfully started 2 companies in veihcle engineering. Got all the education degrees and been working with car design and engineering my whole life.
Been working with all the big ones like Mercedes / BMW / Volvo / Renault etc etc.

If I can make a misstake like the one above - then most likley everybody can.
All this could be solved with a piece of paper. Would probably take both Caprist and Fabspeed just 1/2 hour to produce.

Well, tonight the Fabspeed headers is out and tomorrow the Capristo is in.
Anyone who needs any pictures - let me know.

//Anders

 

Ahhh - thanks a lot. Would not survive without this forum.


//Anders

 

Thats very cool, thanks very much David. From this guide, it looks like there is no power required for the remote control unit? I can see the ground wire but not any +12V input or connection?

Or maybe, the unit is powered directly from the +12V delivered to one of the exhaust valves. From the schematics, it looks like both valves are permanently wired +12V though a 15Amp fuse (PSF12). I suppose then that the DME must switch on/off the -12V to the valves.

 

I very much agree with you Anders and respect your opinion even more as an automotive professional. It isn't normal that such expensive products have no documentation at all. As you say, it wouldn't be difficult neither costly to provide a minimum instructions and/or warnings to avoid big mistakes. Hope this will be heard...

 

Stef,
I was told that there is not instruction because their products should be installed by authorized dealer. I know!, it sucks because i do the major work on my car.

 

If so I would have to take my car to Denmark. I think most aftermarket parts are fitted in ordinary workshops or by owner themself.

Now - listen to this. I always try to forget what things cost, after I have paid. Was suprised to find the remote in the package, but thougt I had bought a package including insulation and remote.

Not so - the remote was a Christmas gift - totaly free - from Capristo. And instructions is comming up from their superb agent in Denmark - Mick Jensen at Formula Automotive AS.

Thanks a lot Capristo, but don´t forget the instruction manual.


/Anders

 

Wow! That's a nice gesture.

 

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Very nice gift you got Anders .

Where are you going to install the control unit? On the left hand side (near the vacuum tank) or on the right hand side (near the hydraulic pump)? I think both areas should not suffer to much from the engine bay heat and they should be enough protected against water projections. What do you think would be best?
Thanks,
Stef

 

I think I will use the left side, have to lift the vacum tank anyway, to get the piping neat.
Vacum valves on the exhaust system, are not on the same place as standard anymore. Will be a simple installation since no extra 12V feed is needed.
Santa sent me the simplier unit. ON - OFF. Remote. There is another one more sofisticated, but this is enough for me.

//Anders

 

I ordered mine today, also the simple on/off remote unit. As the unit has a led, I think that I will install it on the righthand side as it is a bit easier to remove right rear guard (no fuel handle) if I need to check the unit. This is a bit more space available there also.

I received some documentation from Capristo which is picture based and is quite straith forward. Pretty much the same information as provided by David.

But I'm just wondering what is the use of the programming button?

I agree, I like the idea that no extra +12V is required. The unit seems to be powered from the permanent +12V delivered to the solenoid.

Stef

 

Probably to program it to the remote unit. Has already been done.

//A

 

Ciao,

when the remote is lost, you can order a new, and this new has to be reprogrammed with the ECU, with this button you can use the new remote control programming.

Antonio

 

Thanks very much Antonio