I envy your skills Mark!
Mark, any issue with the Scud air boxes and interference with the rear bonnet? It appears as if they are considerably taller. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I know it's a very old posting response but I recall very early on in your thread you mentioned about you hated the F430 valves as they are binary. I've done work reverse engineering the code now which is responsible for managing the valves. That's not entirely true, they actually have 3 settings, 0 is closed, 1 is partially open and 2 is fully open. The issue is the speed at which they transition from one state to the next is configured by calibrations hardcoded into codewords. If it's too fast it will appear to be binary. I think Ferrari deliberately made the valve switch over quick so as you can notice the step change in exhaust note clearly.. hell you can even configure startup bark time, that is when engine is cold it will hold valves open for a specific time before closing. This is configured to 2.5 seconds as default but leaving it at 0 means startup bark is eliminated and you can start car in relative quiet for less conspicuous get aways for example. Also valve opening maps vary enormously for depending market and model year yet manifold switchover doesn't which means if valves don't open your loosing torque and power... On power I can now also do a rear O2 sensor (post cat) desensitizing configuration or if wished entire delete, they are only used to monitor cat efficiency and can be turned off If you fit sports cats. Only issue with off is readiness, if that's important you can just play with min and max thresholds... More on this to come as it's all fully configurable ofcourse via Swiss army knife.
This would be worth the price of admission alone for me (and immobilizing the immobilizer of course). Desensitizing the downstream O2 sensor so readiness wasn’t effected, but reduced catalyzing didn’t trip CEL’s is of great interest to me. Looking forward to it Trev! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Yes - the 16M has shorter brackets under the rear hood to provide more clearance above the air boxes, and part of the metal is scalloped to add clearance. Without this there will be contact. Image Unavailable, Please Login Awesome work, Trev!
Capristo Exhaust Valve Controller This controller will enable me to switch between an override mode with the valves to permanently open, or the standard ECU controlled setting. The kit is very well made and the mode setting switches are operated by using a small supplied magnet over the top of the case rather than with micro switches which could be a weak point for moisture ingress. Neat touch. My only criticism is that part of the wiring loom isn't taped. Image Unavailable, Please Login I chose to mount the unit at the rear of the right hand wheel-arch, away from heat of the exhaust but within reach from inside the engine bay if the rearmost trim panel is removed. Image Unavailable, Please Login I ran the earth cable across to one of two existing earth points underneath the F1 pump assembly. Image Unavailable, Please Login I had to file out the ring terminal on the loom from M6 size to M8 which easy to do as the fitting is zinc plated brass. Image Unavailable, Please Login I taped up any exposed wires and made sure the connectors were secured with cable ties to prevent undue stress on the terminals. Image Unavailable, Please Login The loom was an absolutely perfect fit for the F430; I ran it behind the rear bumper underneath the cross member. Image Unavailable, Please Login Scuderia Rear Undertray The Scuderia version is made of a lightweight composite material and has two NACA ducts towards the rear that direct air over the exhaust. The ribs along the underside also match up with the Scuderia diffuser, which is different to the F430 part. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Steering Wheel Paddles - Module v2 I've been driving around for a year with OEM and steering wheel paddles in place - the former being left in whilst I tested the v1 module. I found that sometimes the modulated resistance output was not close enough to the factory values and hence the TCU threw an error. I have redesigned the module to use Panasonic TQ high speed signalling relays which is a much simpler, elegant solution that removes the need for a micro controller and regulated power supply, and enabled me to match the factory resistor values to within 0.05%. Image Unavailable, Please Login I've used butyl on the connections to prevent 'creep'. Image Unavailable, Please Login Rear Marker Lights The reflectors on the rear of the car are the same type of unit that is used as a rear or side marker (lens is amber) light on other Ferraris. For the small amount of effort involved I decided to convert mine to illuminate with the side lights. Image Unavailable, Please Login I'm using 0.5mm thinwall cable to match the OEM colours, W4W sidelight bulb holders, AMP Junior Timer Housings, red incandescent bulbs, and an LED I'll try to see if it looks OK - it may be too bright. Image Unavailable, Please Login More on this another time. 16M Sound System I've been analysing the sound system which per side features a tweeter with an inline filter fed from a 100mm Midrange, and a 165mm midbass driver. JBL have been pretty clever in their design to keep weight to a minimum as the midbass features a DVC type driver which enables a smaller magnet to be used whilst maintaining power output. Also, the amplifier is a class D which means smaller power wires, reduced footprint, and less weight at the slight expense of ultimate sound quality, which isn't really a concern in this particular car - anything is going to be better than the standard head unit. The amp has six channels: two powering the midbass coils, and one for the midrange & tweeter. Image Unavailable, Please Login This is all a bit of a concession to luxury rather than weight saving but given the summer roads trips we go on where often we'll spending several hours in the car per day, it's a worthwhile compromise. 16M Door Cards The inner door handles and handle mechanisms weigh nearly as much as one door card! I'm having the handles remade in carbon, and I've picked up some aluminium stock to remake parts of the handle mechanism. I can save enough weight to offset the midbass speakers. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I've made a start on fitting the new door cards. I knew from looking at photos of used doors and the Ferrari parts system that I needed to add seven top hat shaped brackets to each door, which is otherwise the same as the F430. Image Unavailable, Please Login Whilst my Dad held the door panel in place I used the depth measuring blade on some digital calipers to determine distance from the mounting hole to the door behind; I could then draw up a mount for each of the seven holes. The first door will take quite a bit more time than the second, but it's enjoyable work. I'm using aluminium strip and stainless rivets/fastenings. Image Unavailable, Please Login Three down, 11 to go. Once completed I will etch prime and paint to match whatever colour is behind the bracket (Ferrari doors are a mix of body colour and black paint). Image Unavailable, Please Login
As always impressed at your attention to detail. Now that I've done work on the ECUs I've been able to see how the can code inside the ECU works and I can change it and extend it. For instance even on the 360 the Sport button is using a CAN message, the only difference is that the actual analogue switch is wired into the dashboard computer and it inturn sends the state as a message to the ignition ECU. This means I could make an alternative switch (or even phone app soft switch) and extend the can messages to do other things like exhaust valves meaning I can do a valve controller without adding any wires. A plug into obd is all that's needed.
Rear Marker Lights - Complete There are a few different types of the same light unit; all have the built in lens/diffuser for a bulb, even if they are intended solely as a reflector, but some types have a blanked off stanchion on the back that would otherwise take a bulb holder, and others - like mine - don't have anything at all. I had a spare set of Ford side repeaters from an older model that would be sacrificed for the W5W stanchion. Image Unavailable, Please Login Dremel used to liberate the stanchion. Image Unavailable, Please Login Dremel again used to open out the back of the Ferrari reflectors to accept a bulb. Photo also shows the stanchions removed from the Ford side repeaters. Image Unavailable, Please Login I made the small loom using trunking, boots, and waterproof AMP housings. Colour coding is yellow/black (positive) and black (earth) for the LH light, and yellow (positive) and black (earth) for the RH light. Image Unavailable, Please Login Stanchions epoxied in to place and sprayed in grey plastic paint. W5W holders twisted in - these seal with an O ring. Image Unavailable, Please Login Photo to show an installed light viewed from behind the bumper. Image Unavailable, Please Login I noticed some witness marks around the rear lights so I've applied black felt to prevent this. I've isolated the rear lights on rubber pads to stop the usual cracks from chassis-borne vibrations. Image Unavailable, Please Login Lights on. Image Unavailable, Please Login If anyone is interested I may start to produce the above as a kit with an interface loom between the rear lights and car loom to make it completely plug and play.
Wow is all I can say. Fantastic job on the car. Determination and never die attitude is wonderful to see in this day and age. You truly are an inspiration. I just went the easy way and bough a 430 Scuderia which will hopefully delivered this week. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login It will keep his garage mate company. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Awesome project. The one thing that I was asking myself is the actual weight savings of the 16M carbon fiber engine bay covers to the two sides (4 parts in total) compared to the dark grey metal ones of the standard F430. I suspected them to save a good amount of weight in a quite desirable position of the car (rather high, rather rear). I was not able to spot them in the above weight savings sheet, nor in any of the photos of the posts of this impressive documentation. Did you measure the weight savings for those by any chance or would you still be on the standard covers? Cheers and thanks, TS
Thank you. The engine bay panels save ~1kg so I still haven't made up my mind if I will fit them. I think if I did pick up a set I'd have them sprayed grey, because there's quite a bit of carbon in the engine bay now as it is.
Ok, that is way less than what I was expecting. Do you still know if these would fit 1:1 without any modification to chassis or carbon covers?
Yes - they are a bolt on part, however it is well worth fitting the two additional heat shields that were installed on 2009 onwards Scuderia and 16Ms; they fasten either side of the rear silencer and protect the rearmost engine bay panels from heat. I think the part numbers are 80696800 and 80696900 - I have them fitted.
I've finished all but two brackets. Image Unavailable, Please Login I've gone for a factory look but neatened by using epoxy with masking tape removed once semi-set in order to leave neat lines (factory - top, mine - bottom) Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Weight saving (100kg and over) Image Unavailable, Please Login
These seem to be OEM for Scuderia/16M only, right (picture below)? They seem to be missing from the standard car's explosion diagrams (https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part-finder/ferrari/430/oe/17/2670/50017). Probably to protect the carbon fiber from heat, what would not be necessary for the metal ones? Did you procure them new through dealership? Image Unavailable, Please Login
As far as I’m aware they were 16M and late Scuderia only, and yes – you’re right: they are to prevent the carbon panels from yellowing due to heat. I got them as part of a bulk order of Scuderia parts
The door card brackets are complete. The factory doors are painted in body colour then the lower and leading edges are painted in stain black, so I've matched the brackets to whatever paint was underneath them. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login My Dad made templates for the moisture barrier and cut them from closed cell Polyethylene foam. This worked out at around £10 for both sides. Image Unavailable, Please Login
16M Door Cards - Complete Inside each door a plastic sheet is used to keep water away from the window motor and mechanism, and on my car the adhesive had failed and the sheets were flapping around inside, which isn't good given some of the window mechanism is exposed. To remedy this I removed the sheets from both sides, de-greased them, and then refitted with better adhesive. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login The Scuderia uses the 360 CS inner door mechanisms which are mounted to the door itself rather than the door card. They re-use the cable mounting bracket from the back of the F430 door cards so I had to swap those across and rivet them to the door. I have also fitted Neoprene washers to the door card mounting points to cut down on vibrations. Image Unavailable, Please Login Home-made moisture barriers fitted. Image Unavailable, Please Login I've fitted the 16M reflectors (left) in place of the original marker lights (right). The reason for this was explained in a previous post. Image Unavailable, Please Login The inner window scraper trims on my car were finished with some kind of trim paint over the base rubber which over time had started to lift (top). My Dad sanded these for me and painted them with black vinyl and rubber paint. The result was much better than I imagined possible - they are as-new (bottom). Image Unavailable, Please Login I sprayed an additional layer of black paint on the 16M speaker grilles to freshen them up; the original black paint doesn't have a primer coat underneath so isn't particularly resilient. Image Unavailable, Please Login All Scuderia door cars had dark grey Alcantara pads lining the bottom of the storage areas which don't tie-in with anything in my interior, so I commissioned a set in the same red Nappa leather as my steering wheel etc. Also, the stitching on the storage nets was always just black so at the same time I had those re-done in red stitching to match that in my interior. Image Unavailable, Please Login I used spray carpet adhesive to fit the new leather pads. Image Unavailable, Please Login Door cards complete! Image Unavailable, Please Login 16M Amplifier The 16M uses a JBL amplifier which is used in quite a few cars including the Toyota Prius and Ferrari California, but having read reviews of its performance I decided I didn't want to fit it. What likely doesn't help is that, for whatever reason, the line-out (connector 'C' on the ISO connections) wasn't used and instead the JBL is fed speaker-level inputs - this is never the way to go to make the most of a head unit and amplifier pairing. Image Unavailable, Please Login Given the above I decided to make two changes: 1) find an amplifier tested with a better level of performance that is no heavier than the original, and 2) to improve SQ use line level outputs from the Becker head unit to amplifier. I settled on the Apline MRV-F300 amp which is a Class D therefore lighter and cooler running than an equivalent (heavier) Class A or A/B. Image Unavailable, Please Login For (relative!) comfort I've opted to retain the sound deadening and vibration material in my car, so in order to mount the amplifier in the factory location I cut a neat square under the passenger seat to allow the amplifier to sit low enough to provide clearance for the left seat. The vibration damping material is bitumen based and stuck to the floor pan; it can be removed with a heat gun and plastic scraper. I removed the adhesive residue with petrol. The sound deadening material lays loosely over the top and was simply cut as required then lifted out. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login The 175mm x 210mm area of vibration damping & sound attenuation material came in at 0.665kg, which must put the full complement at around 8kg. The removed part offset the amplifier to mean the total weight added was only just over 1kg - for me that is an acceptable compromise given the benefit. Out of interest at some point in the future I may conduct some tests with a sound level meter with the removable sound deadening material fitted then removed. Image Unavailable, Please Login In terms of wiring the neat thing about adding an amplifier is that all cars are pre-wired with a junction point connector to support an one; it's a GT series connector that has speaker wires, power wires, and remote turn-on, so all I had to do was add the additional speaker wires to the door loom multi-plug and add make use of the junction point connector using OEM pins. I've used factory colours throughout and made twisted pairs for reduced interference. The only change I made was to step up the woofer speaker wires by 0.5mm for better SQ. Image Unavailable, Please Login F430, Scuderia, and 16M Door Panel and HiFi Weight Analysis Door card and stero system weight anlayis Image Unavailable, Please Login Misc The electric window switches in my car had suffered the usual sticky problem, so given at the same time I had the HVAC control unit in pieces to paint the knobs black (Scuderia has matt black knobs - F430 has satin metallic grey) it made sense to de-sticky everything at the same time. I found that the HVAC temperature display was very resiliant but I had to use extreme care with the window switches because the paint was very fragile. Image Unavailable, Please Login I used Tamiya paint for the black knobs and their 'Flatt Matt' lacquer to seal the de-stickied parts. It turned out looking OEM but without the risk of further sticky issues. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Another titivation job: a strip of aluminium lines either side of the Spider hood tray and on my car the original satin black paint had weathered due to a lack of primer underneath. To restore them the trims were rubbed down, etch primed, and then re-finished in satin black. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login I'm going to refresh the suspension flamblocs and bearings at some point soon so rather than work on my arms I'm piecing together a spare set that can be sent for vapour blasting and build-up off the the car. Fitting them becomes a simple swap-over Image Unavailable, Please Login My X-Pipe exhaust has gone because I'm ready for a change. Image Unavailable, Please Login I also picked up the OEM paint template/jig for the 16M stripe. The stripe on my car is currently a decal which does let down the car, so I'm going to have it painted on. 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The goal of this project is creation of a light weight, high performance, road-based Spider. One of the requirements I set to help meet that is a weight saving target of 150kg without detriment to on-road manners or civility, and this dictates that I continue to develop parts to compliment the off-the-shelf OEM offerings. A new round of bespoke light weight carbon parts are in production and here's a first look at the next body panel to be made to my specification; I'm particularly pleased with the mix of carbon fabrics that blend strength with a cosmetic match to the OEM fabric in the areas that will remain visible. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just spent my morning reading this and its been a great read. Very interested to see what these new carbon fibre parts look like, was this from the UK company you mentioned a few pages back? Also judging buy your username i bought your capristo sports cats off you a few weeks ago
Ahh, yes! Hello Chris. I have a few parts on the go at the moment; one in Italy, one in the UK, and one in China. Hello Seong, No, these are a full set of original 16M door panels that I picked up with the speakers etc. I need to find some time to finish the Scuderia panels then I'l advertise them as a package with a set of speakers and the door wiring looms. Mark