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  1. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

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    #151 mike32, Mar 18, 2024
    This is the same bearing I changed my oem bearing for, they transferred over the screw bit but they also renewed the roll pin, item 52. Tech was adamant to change roll pin as worn pin gives big issues. Also hill engineering release bearing is different pt no for f1+ manual box
     
  2. mike32

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    #152 mike32, Mar 18, 2024
    No, you pull the gearbox out as a unit but you have to take the back of the car to bits, about 10 hours labour when they changed my release bearing.exhaust box and tail pipes etc to get to it.
     
  3. 308GTB1978

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    #153 308GTB1978, Mar 18, 2024
    Thanks, I will give all the informations to the owner.

    Next step, perform the tests you proposed on the car and then I'll update the post :)

    To be followed...
     
  4. flash32

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    #154 flash32, Mar 18, 2024
    We can verify my thoughts on magnet being backwards with endoscope..

    The reasoning behind my thoughts is the clutch position being about 3 4 mm off


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  5. flash32

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    #155 flash32, Mar 18, 2024
    If the scope shows magnet is backwards..the Ferrari dealer who did clutch should fix for free and none of here have to do any work :)

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  6. 308GTB1978

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    #156 308GTB1978, Mar 19, 2024
    @flash32 : do you confirm : DEIS / reboot OBD tool / DEIS ?
    Thanks.
     
  7. flash32

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    #157 flash32, Mar 19, 2024
    No

    Reboot then Deis

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  8. sammyf

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    #158 sammyf, Mar 19, 2024
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    DEIS procedure may take up to 10mins and it may not seem like it's doing much. At least on the Launch scanner screen... Be patient and let it finish.
     
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  9. 308GTB1978

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    #159 308GTB1978, Mar 21, 2024
    Hello, here are the latest news :

    Car is almost fixed but we have a new problem !!!

    Since our last visit the owner has turned off the battery at the circuit breaker (several days) and charged the battery.
    Arriving then putting the battery in : lots of fault codes, the usual ones after battery disconnected (battery voltage, CAN etc...) but new ones including the immobilizer

    I made a backup of the codes found then erase everything but not all of them are erasable.
    I then observe that the gearbox set a P1760 : brake pedal sensor that we did not have until now!!!!
    Another new feature : we have the gearbox light which we didn't have until now but also CST !

    I do a complete box calibration (DEIS) which is OK within 6 minutes, car shutdown for more than 3 minutes.
    At the end the start button works again (yeah), the starter turns but the engine does not start... immobilizer.

    I check several gearbox parameters which are OK (clutch actutor pressure almost 19 bars when cranking), do a self-calibration etc... to have a TCU that is definitely OK.

    Now everything is back to normal : the display on the dashboard is indeed the one of an F430 Phase 2 (we checked on another F430 from 2008), by pressing the brake you can engage 1st or reverse gear and return to neutral (victory).

    We can say that from the point of view of the state of the TCU, it is OK.

    But now we have this P1760 (brake pedal sensor) and P0600 (CAN) so I recommended to the owner to change the brake pedal sensor if the electrical tests that he is going to redo are not OK.

    For the immobilizer I tested everything : nothing to do, I have no useful code except a 4003, both fuses are OK, so I recommended the owner to test with the master key and stop using the battery breaker.

    So I think that mechanically (box + clutch) as with the TCU it's OK and for the immobilizer I can't do more with my tools.

    Thank you all for your very valuable help, without which it would not have been possible to go this far !
     
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  10. flash32

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    #160 flash32, Mar 21, 2024
    I am so glad the procedure all worked out for you and your friend ..if he had touch the brake pedal maybe it just needs an adjustment back ..does your friend have oem brake lights

    That all being said I still think your magnet is backwards ...did you check with video scope
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  11. Mario Andretti

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    #161 Mario Andretti, Mar 21, 2024
    ^^^THIS . I just installed my pedal (during manual conversion) and that switch position if VERY Finicky... small movement and it no longer clicks. Get him to loose the nut and position it better, and tighten. Should fix it.
     
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  12. 308GTB1978

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    #162 308GTB1978, Mar 21, 2024
    When reading the datastream on the TCU, the "break switch state" is fully relevant with my foot pressure on the pedal so maybe one of the two switch inside the sensor is dead but one is enough to talk with the TCU and breaks ECU ?
     
  13. flash32

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    #163 flash32, Mar 21, 2024
    I think the Deis fixed your problem ..right ..as mario said take it off and reset it based on WSM

    I am not home this moment so maybe someone get the feeler gauge think ness to us to set it

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  14. flash32

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    #164 flash32, Mar 21, 2024
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    #165 flash32, Mar 21, 2024
  16. 308GTB1978

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    #166 308GTB1978, Mar 24, 2024
    Car is fixed !!

    Fuse F13 was dead (but was looking good) and relay PDR1 changed.

    No more immo problem, car back on the road !

    Special thanks to all of you who helped and very special thumbs up for Dominik and qavion :)
     
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  17. flash32

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    #167 flash32, Mar 24, 2024
    You are very welcome .. glad you fixed your friends car - he must be very happy - Ciao

    You saved him a large amount of money and it is setup better than it was before

    I still think you should get Ferrari to fix that magnet :) - it was installed wrong
     
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  18. LorenzoR

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    #168 LorenzoR, Mar 24, 2024
    Dom, Ian, Mark, Mike and more just to name a few are a world of help in this forum. Such great assets to this community
     
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  19. Qavion

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    #169 Qavion, Mar 24, 2024
    Fuse PSF1 or PDF1? They supply power to the coils of the fuel pump relays for the left and right hand banks respectively.

    Relay PDR1 is a mystery. It seems to allow the RH Engine ECU to talk to the OBD2 network.... but it is controlled by the RH Engine ECU (Perhaps when the Immobiliser ECU unlocks the RH ECU?) It also interrupts a signal going between the RH ECU and the Immobiliser ECU (pin B-6), whatever that does.

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    Maybe someone with a clearer diagram can help identify what is written under pin B-6. W-Line xxxxxxx ;)

    PDR1 also discussed here:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148590084/
     
  20. 308GTB1978

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    #170 308GTB1978, Mar 24, 2024
    Fuse PDF13 if you prefer and relay PDR1 were changed ;)
     
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    #171 Qavion, Mar 24, 2024
    Ooops... So just the Immo fuse (key power). Makes more sense (if I had read your message properly). :oops:
     
  22. spider355gg

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    #172 spider355gg, Mar 25, 2024
    Buongiorno Dominik
    hi Dominik,
    I am Gérard the owner of the 430 spider phase 2 2008 ...friend to manu 308gtb...
    Many thank you for your valuable advice which allowed with manu, Ferrarichat fr, and the us Ferrarichat community to have solved a number troubles ...of Deis problems etc..., just that the PSR1 was out, as well as psf 13! we replaced them...
    she started straight away !
    for the magnet, a professional garage member will diagnose it to prove that this magnet is mounted upside down...if so the dealer will be held responsible.
    many thanks again
    e forza Scuderia Ferrari
    Gérard
     
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  23. mike32

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    #173 mike32, Mar 25, 2024
    Have i sent you my copy of this, you have a FE number
     
  24. mike32

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    #174 mike32, Mar 25, 2024
    Have you seen the relay testers you can buy, not expensive and will take different pin patterns
     
  25. flash32

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    #175 flash32, Mar 25, 2024
    Congratulations on such a beautiful car
    My pleasure to help
    I am very happy that you will be able to enjoy it now
    Drive it in good health
    Please let us know about the magnet

    Have a great day

    Dominick


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