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F430 v. 575 at Track!

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by RedlineX, Sep 3, 2005.

  1. RedlineX

    RedlineX Rookie

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    Iam not sure about this puzzle maybe one of you could help me. I know the f430 was designed to make maximum performance at the track level and i know the 575 more of a street machine. But since the 575 is powered by a v12 motor comparied to a v8 still both are high revving which would most likely turn a better lap time? (Also note the are the same driver)
     
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  3. Gary(SF)

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    Not even close. The 430 is far superior at the track, lighter, better power-to-weight, etc. On a 90-sec track, I would bet the 430 would be 4 or 5 sec faster.

    Gary
     
  4. Vang

    Vang Formula Junior

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    The F430 has 490 horsepower at 3190 pounds, giving it a lb per hp of 6.51. The 575M has 515 horsepower at 3815 pounds, giving it a lb per hp of 7.40. This very basic analysis doesn't even take into account the other advantages the F430 has over the 575M.
     
  5. SSNISTR

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    Actually it's 483/508 BHP....those are DIN #'s.


    Comparing these two cars is odd, two different animals.
    F430, more of a track car, the Maranello is a high-speed cruiser.
     
  6. Sfumato

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    Not quite 5 seconds, and a LOT less work :)
    Torque is a good thing.

    LAP TIMES PISTA DI FIORANO

    Ferrari F2004 (2004, MS) 0.55.999
    Ferrari F2003-GA (2003, MS) 0.56.33
    Ferrari F2002 0.57.476
    Ferrari F2002 (2002, MS) 0.58.378
    Ferrari F1 310B (1997, MS) 0.59.00
    Ferrari F1 412T1 (1994, Alesi) 1.00.31
    Ferrari 333SP (slicks) 1.11.90
    Maserati Reparto Corse (Andrea Bertolini) 1.12.336
    Ferrari 333SP (slicks & restrictor) 1.13.00
    Ferrari 360 GT 1.17.00
    Ferrari 360 N-GT (2003) 1.18.90
    Ferrari 360 Challenge 1.21.00
    Ferrari Enzo (2003) 1.22.30
    Ferrari 360 Challenge (2003) 1.22.40
    Maserati Trofeo 1.23.848
    Ferrari 355 Challenge 1.24.40
    Maserati Trofeo 1.25.00
    Ferrari Enzo Ferrari 1.25.30
    Ferrari 355 Challenge (1997?, wing, slicks, Larini) 1.25.40
    Ferrari 355 Challenge (1995, no wing, streets) 1.26.50
    Ferrari F50 1.27.00
    Ferrari F50 (1995) 1.28.00
    Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale 1.28.00
    Ferrari F430 1.28.50
    Ferrari F40 1.29.60
    Ferrari F40 (1987) 1.30.00
    Ferrari 360 Modena 1.30.00
    Ferrari 360 Modena 1.31.50
    Ferrari F40 (Gerhard Berger) 1.31.50
    Ferrari 575M Maranello 1.31.512
    Ferrari 550 Maranello 1.32.528

    Ferrari 348 Challenge 1.33.00
    Ferrari F355 F1 (1997) 1.33.00
    Ferrari F355 (1994) 1.34.00
    Ferrari F512M (1995) 1.35.00
    Ferrari 512TR (1992) 1.35.00
    Ferrari 456GT 1.35.00
    Maserati 4200GT 1.35.00
    Ferrari 288GTO 1.36.00
    Ferrari Testarossa (1984) 1.36.00
    Ferrari 348TB (1989) 1.37.00
    Ferrari 288GTO 1.37.00
    Ferrari F512M 1.37.00
    Porsche 959 1.37.00
    Ferrari 456GT (1992) 1.40.00
    Ferrari 328 GTB 1.44.00


    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1289&highlight=Fiorano+lap+times
     
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  8. Vang

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    Either way, the point stands that the F430 has a superior lb/hp ratio than the 575M, even though the 575M has twelve cyclinders to the F430's eight.
     
  9. Gary(SF)

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    I stand by my statement of 5 sec over a 90 second lap, your chart backs up that guess pretty well I'd say. And while it's less work, I'd also say less fun. I'd rather drive a lighter, more agile car, even with less torque, any day.

    Gary

     
  10. Sfumato

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    I've had a Spider F1, and it most certainly was not more fun than my 12's. And on roads, the Maranello and SA cover ground as well as a 360/430, perhaps faster. I have a 300mi route I drive, and through the twistiest segments, the avg. speeds in corners of either the Maranello or the 360/430 are the same. If you haven't driven a Maranello hard, extensively, you are truly missing something. I have driven them back to back swapping car to car, and while heavy, it is most certainly agile. Steering less wired than 360, but certainly not numb. Maranelloman has tracked his 550, as has Stephens, and neither get embarrassed by 360's. 430 will be harder to beat, and torque is better, but real world useability still gives Maranello the edge.
    This argument is like blue vs red, but I have spent a lot of seat time in both, drive very hard(ask MarkPDX or Schatten), and love'em both. 430 truly fixes everything I didn't like about my 360. Just different cars for different buyers. Some of us are lucky enough to have both.
     
  11. stephens

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    The different tires would more than account for the difference in times. GTCH does a 1:29 at Fiorano, which is down to a 0.5 sec difference. My experience (guess) would be a difference of between 0.5 and 2 secs per minute depending on the track.
    Track times would come down to tyres and driver.
    The 430 does not walk away in a straight line either, acceleration off turns is very close (on my 550 anyway). The biggest difference between the two on the track is 250kg weight.
     
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  13. Cavallini

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    Sfumato, how does the 575 compare with the 430 on long trips through inclimate weather?

    I ask because I plan to have both, as much for individual beauty as for performance. I definitely want them to have very distinct personalities and strengths but to each have a sort deathlete's versatility.


    Many thanks,


    Cavallini
     

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