Yeah, but you said high revving, high hp per liter right?....it was the first that came to mind. Even at 6.0 liters it's still over 108 bhp per liter.
I never trashed them either. I own a Ferrari as well and love them. I saw this thread and jumped in because I bought a Z06.
Lets get this guys together in a 1/4 mile track and in a nice road course, lets place bets starting at $10,000 per race.
I'll drive is someone wants to lend a ZO6 lol. Or a F430.... Lots of 1/4 mile and SCCA experience here.
No, oftentimes TQ/Liter is better on DOHC motors (which are also high revving). Too bad any naturally aspirated DOHC motor that will compete with an LS7 on comes in 90K+ vehicles.
MRpayne, dont forget all the DOHC motors are small too....oh wait, how about for NA, ....the carrera GT motor that aught to do it with power in reserve....or maybe just the M5 V10, making the same level of power, with TWO less liters.
DOHC motors are not "small". They do usually have a lower displacement in order to generate the same power. I don't know why anyone even brings up the technology argument with engines anymore. As if BMW or Ferrari could make an OHV engine produce 100hp/L.
well its not that they could make 100/liter with a pushrod, its that they were smart enough to go wit hthe better design and work with it.
Who says they are smarter? Not to get into a Chevy vs. Ferrari debate regarding engine design, but the Pushrod Small Blocks in the Chevys put out more HP, efficency, lower weight than the OHC V8 Counterparts at Ford (better example). Not to mention they these engines are extremely reliable and easy to service. A 430 Motor is a work of Art, more of a racing engine than a street engine, but give the LS7 the credit it deserves for what it does.
perhaps i should revise my statement, not "smart" so much as more innovative. The LS7, lets not forget can just as easily go into a GM pickup, and theres nothing in particular wrong with that, just that some ppl prefer what u said, a racing type engine. That said, its a fine choice for a budget sports car.
Better design? There generally are good elements and bad elements for most designs. And to be quite honest, I don't think a DOHC engine would have made the Z06 a better car. A 500hp DOHC engine in 65K car. Please, keep dreaming.
yes, imo the DOHC engine is a better design bc it allows 4 valve heads; as well the capability to run at higher RPMS to me means more potential. People always say that pushrods make more torque when in fact todays engines with variable valve timing can make just as much with a 4 valve configuration and breathe well on the high end. I agree, for a budget sports car the Z needed to use that motor.
Then don't say it's a better design, because it is tied into the requirements of the entire package. The OHV LS7 *is* a better engine design for the C6 Z06 considering all the variables.
I would not drive any Ferrari long distance. Whenever I owned a Ferrari in the past, I only enjoyed track and some short mountain or coastal drives. As a daily driver, its noisy and the steering too sensitive. As for a performance drive, its great. To me, Ferrari is a piece of automotive experience. I get into one just to savor the smell, sound, leather, noise, looks, etc, but I do not like it as a means for regular transportation. I prefer a Porsche, Mercedes or BMW for that. In terms of track prowess or raw acceleration, I don't think there is any doubt that the Z06 will be faster than a 430 on probably any track in the world.
Exactly. "No soul", "not a Ferrari", " not a Porsche", "I don't care if you kick my ass but you are still a Chevy", blah blah blah
Terrence, I love Ferraris so much that I use them for daily drivers to track events and even drive to and back home in them. For all the reasons you posted is that I can't just have enough out of them.
Not to take anything away from ANY Ferrari being a work of art, but the LS7 is probably a bit more of a "racing engine" than the F430's. The LS7 is the progeny of the C5-R motor which handled the GTS class of the 24 hrs of Lemans quite superbly. I consider 1-2 finishes in 4 of the last 5 years in GTS, with the off year being a "2-3" to be "superbly" Titanium rods, valves, magnesium bits, and a dry sump pretty much sum up the purpose build of the motor. Jim C. #508 in my garage
Why does everyone keep saying "Not to take anything away from the Corvette Z06, but..." It should be: "Not to take anything away from the Ferrari F430, but..."
Terrence I will not dispute your opinion. Have you tried a 430? My statement was that I would happily drive my 430 for a long distance whereas I would not do the same in my GT3 unless I was headed to a track. The 430 is a very comfortable car, driven with a moderate right foot it is quiet and with the mannetino in 'normal' mode the ride is nice. My Gt3 on the other hand is noisy and hard. period. As to the whole 430 versus Z06 thing, I don't see why anyone is comparing them. Let's look at it this way... does anyone compare a Timex with a Rolex? One could say the Timex is cheaper and more accurate (quartz) and the statements are correct. These facts will not prevent people from buying a Rolex, or Patek or Blancpain, or lange. The buyers of handcrafted luxury watches appreciate them for what they are and don't mind spending large sums for them. The Z06 is probably faster and certainly cheaper to own and drive than a 430. Will this put Ferrari out of business? No. Seiko didn't put Rolex and the rest out of business either and never will. We just don't compare them. Different buyers, different tastes and perhaps even different budgets (except for Watt). There are probably Mitsu Evo's out there that are faster than a 360 CS in spite of the fact that they cost 100K less. Does anyone compare them to a Ferrari? Regards,
Thanks for helping with my point. I believe I made about 10 like examples trying to DRILL my point home in this thread. 100% absolutely not comparable. STOP THE FRIGGIN PIPE DREAM of even putting them in the same sentence.
