Yes let's get the cars on a 1/4 mile straight. The 430 will win!!
DUDE, not in the slightest. I have owned all classes of vehicles and the fact that I own a Ferrari now means nothing. But, it does give me the knowledge to know what is comparable. I am not saying it to slam corvettes... has nothing to do with that. Stop trying to start a silly war. Zero ego, just facts...... I have even owned a corvette. a 67 but still I was smart enough not to compare it to a Dino or a Jalpa. And I recently owned NSXs and was smart enough not to compare it with Ferrari although it was as fast as a 355 and even moreso. Still NO COMPARISON. #25 Yesterday, 10:22 AM 05F430F1 Karting Not Subscribed Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lauderdale bythe Sea Full Name: Todd Arnold Posts: 82 ok, once and for all. GRRRRRRRRRRR> The fact that the corvette is a good deal for the performance, bang for buck if you will. (assuming bang means speed only... because corvette quality is just plain awful.) I was in the car business for years so I know the quality... anyway, the fact that it is cheap speed has NOTHING to do with anything. These two cars are in no way, no how, no reason comparable. To mention them in the same sentence is ignorant. You know what? The Hyundai Sonata is an absolute fantastic car for the money with tons of features but I am not going to compare it to a Mercedes. The Mitsubishi is really fast but I am not going to compare it to an NSX. And, the corvette is fast as is my blown 69 camaro, my friend's Ducati motorcycle, my uncle's 41 Willy's coupe, the Grand National and my Articat Snowmobile but NONE of those I just mentioned are COMPARABLE to each other and NONE of them should ever be mentioned in the same breath as a Ferrari F430. When you compare something, you compare like things in the same class. Class, by definition, is decided by many factors together. In the case of cars, it includes, all but not limited to, Speed, price range, handling, quality, ergonomics, size, technology, design, braking..... So whoever said that you compare corvette to viper and ferari to lambo is exactly correct. Last point for the simpleminded and thickheaded. An apple is roughly the same size as an orange but we don;t compare those so, given the fact that the only similarity between vette and 430 is speed, STOP F***ING COMPARING THEM>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a pipe dream for vette owners to even think they can compare so stop dreaming and get to reality. You own a good car with a ton of power for little money and it looks decent. Great job. Enjoy your car but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop the frickin dream that you can compare it to an F430. Compare: equating like objects. THESE ARE NOT LIKE OBJECTS!!!!! Thank you for your time
People can compare whatever they want to whatever else they want, and anyone with a dogmatic set of "rules" as to what can and can "NEVER" be compared (in an open discussion forum no-less) obviously has something much deeper going on. An F430 and a Z06 are not identical objects it is true, but they are not so dissimilair as to be immpossible to compare, as their similairities far outweigh their differences. In fact, an orange and an apple are comparable and just because the common vernacular exploits them to make a point that certain things can't be compared does not make it true. The ability to compare disimilair or somewhat dissimilair objects in a meaningful and rational way is a sign of intelligence. Someone who says you can't compare an F430 to a Z06 because they are like an apple and an orange is someone who has learned by rote i.e; "Remember class, one can't compare apples to oranges" instead of thinking rationally and independently. The person with the penchant for drama, and who expresses what is obviously a deep sense of exasperation upon discovering that the great unwashed masses will not take to heart his profound words of wisdom re: what can and can't be compared has probably suffered some deep psychic wound. Perhaps a little therapy is in order?
I don't really "like" the Z06 per se, it isn't a really pretty car or really well made. Certainly in the case of F430, the F430 is better looking and very nicely finished. But then again the expectation of the Z06 at $70K are much less than a F430 a $190K plus. What makes it hard to decide between these two cars is if you're like me and you put thousands of hard street, canyon and track miles on a car. For one it's kind of a waste to flog the crap out of limited production car like the F430 when there are people that enjoy them as "showpieces" which I respect. Second, if your going to destroy or use up cars like I do, who cares what it looks like. If your serious about putting a lot of hard and fast miles on a car, you better off doing it on a Z06 then ruining a F430 or similar. The analogy is kind of like if you're going out with your buddies to get hammered, you don't start shotgunning glasses of 1995 Château Margaux, because, like a Ferrari, it's meant to be enjoyed in smaller amounts an there isn't enough of it around to over indulge. A Z06 on the other hand is like a good vodka, it is less expensive and more effective at getting you were you want to go...(a drunken stupor in the case of this analogy) and there is plenty to go around day after day.
I look at the comparison thing another way. Every time we the consumer start to compare a car that costs 1/3 the cost of a new F car, dont' think that Ferrari doesn't take notice. When Chevy and other manufacturers start to raise the bar, it forces Ferrari to raise thier bar that much higher. And we're the ones who benifet. Darrell.
Very well said! There is something much deeper going on here. These two cars are both high performance sports cars and as such are very much comparable. The people on this site that can not or will not see that, have a hidden agenda. They need to feel important and want to think they are in an exclusive group. They are what I call the typical country club types who think they are better than everyone else. The Vette bugs them because people they consider to be not in thier league can have a toy that can keep up with thier high dollar machines. I can see right through this poor attempt to cover up thier snobbery!
The reason they buy the Rolex is because it is a status symbol, not because it is a better watch. Same thing applies to this argument. What is comparable about these two cars is thier capabilities. No one would argue the Ferrari is more refined. They could argue though that the Vette is in the same performance category and no one could dispute that!
Look, I am also a Ferrari owner. Believe me I get it. I am sure not everyone on this site is a stuck up ass hole but some are. If this applies to you than by all means take it personally otherwise disreguard. Can anyone present a reasonable argument against these two cars being in the same performance category? I don't think so. As such they are very much comparable.
You have to respect the Z06 Corvette, build quality and sterotypes aside ,the car is very very capabale, espeically considering the cost. And Corvette/Chevy has a very respectable racing history nationally and internationally. I'd always rather be standing on the first place spot on the podium than in finishing anywhere else and making excuses about build quality and history, the victory is even sweeter when the number #2 guy spent more money than you did and still didn't finish on top. Getting your butt kick is getting your butt kicked. There was a good video floating around on the net of a SL65 and new Z06 racing from a freeway roll on. The SL65 barely noses out the Z06 on the top end.
Originally Posted by Fly'n DutchMan I don't really "like" the Z06 per se, it isn't a really pretty car or really well made. Certainly in the case of F430, the F430 is better looking and very nicely finished. But then again the expectation of the Z06 at $70K are much less than a F430 a $190K plus. What makes it hard to decide between these two cars is if you're like me and you put thousands of hard street, canyon and track miles on a car. For one it's kind of a waste to flog the crap out of limited production car like the F430 when there are people that enjoy them as "showpieces" which I respect. Second, if your going to destroy or use up cars like I do, who cares what it looks like. If your serious about putting a lot of hard and fast miles on a car, you better off doing it on a Z06 then ruining a F430 or similar. The analogy is kind of like if you're going out with your buddies to get hammered, you don't start shotgunning glasses of 1995 Château Margaux, because, like a Ferrari, it's meant to be enjoyed in smaller amounts an there isn't enough of it around to over indulge. A Z06 on the other hand is like a good vodka, it is less expensive and more effective at getting you were you want to go...(a drunken stupor in the case of this analogy) and there is plenty to go around day after day." Watt, I know your attention span is quite limited, so I re-posted the Fly'n DutchMan's post above -- maybe you could read it this time. And I repeat.... it's an opinion I share. I'm surprised it bothers you soooo much, since you seem to be very proud of calling your Z the "bic lighter" of cars. The Z06 is a great car and a performance bargain. But, after driving two of them, I can categorically say it doesn't offer the driving feel, excitement or pleasure of a GT2 , CS or 430 -- it does have the acceleration and then some. Of course, you already know that. BTW, that's not your Z for sale in Autoweek, is it?
jack, there it is. it "ruins" a 430 to use it. yes you do agree with that statement. as you know i drive my cars. you "sip". it will never change. and it does sadden me to see great machinery left unused because it's owner thinks it too expensive to be other than a collector's piece or a fine wine only for special occasions. chal strad and some other guys drove their F's even harder than i did mine, so it's not a universal mindset. no matter what, it sure is amusing to see all the F gas released by the arrival of the lowly Z06! see you at buttonwillow, thanks!
Yes, using the 430 every day would "ruin" the car for ME. For ME, it would be a waste for a number of reasons ranging from attracting too much attention when such was not desired to cheapening the car's special significance...again for ME. I enjoy driving my special cars when it suits ME and not because I "have to". Nor does it mean that someone else can't drive the 430 daily if that works for them --we all know the car can take it. If you derived pleasure using your CS for your 15 mile daily commute to WLA -- good for you. That would be a bore for ME. No right, no wrong -- we are definitely different in that respect. It's the same with my Lotus. Even though I've got 12K+ miles on her in less than ten months, I only use it for track FUN. It's been to the track more this year than your past two CS's, three GT3's and two GT3's have, on a cumulative basis. You need to catch up -- geezzz....drive those cars as they were intended. LOL. As for all the released 'F gas' on this lengthy thread, comments by some could be interpreted as such but most of the CAR aficionados on this Forum have recognized the Z06 for what it is and what it is not. At least I can base my personal opinion on having driven the Z06 and the other cars to which you wish to make the comparison (more than I can say for some), but we don't have to rehash that again. What I've found both interesting and amusing is the fact that you have originated all these Z06 comparo and the like posts on several Porsche and Ferrari Forums (6-speed, Rennlist, Rennteam, etc.) -- as if you need the P-car and F-car owners' validation for what YOU want/need to drive. Or, is it part of your "pump and dump" selling strategy? I know you told me you don't like 'hanging' with the Corvette guys on their Forum, but I'd think you would get significantly more useful info regarding the car (and validation, if needed) there. Looking forward to seeing you and the Z at Buttonwillow -- let's see if that powerful Z06 in your hands can keep up with my lowly Elise. Just in case all this (my) BS talk about our personal taste/usage has taken us off track -- let's get back on topic, comparing the Z06 to the F430. I'm such a photo slot. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Watt, No apologies necessary. I respect you and your opinions and value our friendship. Love and kisses -- we better get a room before Doddy chimes in.
