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F50 remarkably stiff chassis

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by ExcelsiorZ, Dec 21, 2014.

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  1. ExcelsiorZ

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    Found this very interesting considering how long ago Ferrari created the F50 and it is an open top car. For the new Lamborghini Aventador it takes "35,000 Newton-meters per degree of deflection. By comparison of stiffness, the Koenigsegg CCR is 28,100 Nm, the Ferrari F50 is 34,600 Nm, and the existing Murcielago is 20,000 Nm."
     
  2. modena1_2003

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    Is that with or without the roof?
     
  3. Bas

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    I don't think the roof is structural, only on the GT1's.

    Yes carbon fiber is much stiffer than a steel chassis. I expected the Koenigsegg to be closer to the F50 to be honest.

    Zonda F at 27000 is somewhat surprising (it does have a carbon tub but also steel front and rear frame to help minimize insurance cost) , but then I saw the Carrera GT at only 26000 which really surprised me because it is all carbon, even the engine subframe.

    Veyron allegedly at 60000...Wow.
     
  4. SCEye

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    We have nothing to compare to besides other supercars.
    what about cars like Civic, M3, and C7Vette for context?
     
  5. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    BMW Z4 coupe: 32,000Nm/deg
    BMW Z4 roadster: 14,500Nm/deg

    Nice drop off, LOL!

    RR Phantom: 40,500Nm/deg
    VW Phaeton: 37,000
    997 Carrera: 33,000 (Turbo is 27,000)
    McLaren F1: 13,500
    360 Spider: 8,500
    2003 Mustang convertible: 4,800

    Source: http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/the-list-torsional-rigidity.12334/

    Lot of variations there that I wasn't expecting.
     
  6. crinoid

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    "360 Spider: 8,500"

    Yeah, get the coupe if you want performance from the chassis. The coupe was 14455.
     
  7. fatbillybob

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    2015 M3's torsional stiffness is over 40,000 Newton-meters per degree, approaching that of the 2004 BMW M3 GTR race car, which used a steel-tube roll cage to reach 46,000 Nm/deg.

    BMW's are amazing performers right out of the box a lot because of stiffness. Ferrari seems to like to use the chassis as part of the suspension.
     
  8. Bas

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    360 spider pretty bad!

    Wonder what a Saab 900 Cabrio has :eek:. They flex on their own when there is a strong breeze on....!
     
  9. BlueBiturbo

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    Countach 2,600 Nm/deg HAHAHHAHAHA
     
  10. Bas

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    Can't be accurate, can it? Perhaps the body but the chassis is one massive tube frame with rose joints!
     
  11. crinoid

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    LOL, That's what made the Cobra AC so special. It bent like a rubber band.
     
  12. SCEye

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    thanks.
    some surprises in there for sure.
     
  13. BlueBiturbo

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    That is also what I think. Maybe the body (as evidenced by the cracks next to the side vents). The chassis is a good tube frame.
     
  14. Beau365

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    Mini (2003) 24,500 Nm/deg

    And with a wheel in each corner, no wonder they're so good around bends !
     
  15. F2003-GA

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    Does anyone know where the McLaren 650S spider ranks ?
     
  16. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    I can't seem to find that one.

    The highest I can find of any car is the Koenigsegg Agera R @ 65,000 Nm/degree: Agera R Configurator I knew there was yet another reason why it's still my favorite currently produced supercar. :)
     
  17. rossocorsa13

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    I've often wondered what the F50 would be capable of in a track configured tire/suspension setup and a mild engine tune. These numbers suggest that the chassis might handle a lot more than otherwise normal road stress.
     

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