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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnOvdGdPnhE[/ame]
     
  2. Ferraripilot

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    Couldn't agree more. Get the supercars on the track, do something with them (I'm talking to you, manufacturers). And Jim, beat all of them :) thanks for posting this Jim
     
  3. Napolis

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    Thanks!

    Meg thought this part was funny:

    "Rumor is, Glickenhaus tested KERS for Ferrari."
     
  4. SVCalifornia

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    Nah, that was "Glickenhaus kersd Ferrari!"

    8^)

    SV
     
  5. elipinski

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    hope, you really did :)))! That would make me confident, that the system will work in my soon to come F150. Best--e
     
  6. M-individual

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    Congrats E! Exciting times up ahead ;)
     
  7. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Congratulations!
     
  8. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Drive her in Good Health!
     
  9. elipinski

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    Please Gents, lets wait with the congratulations, once she arrives (some months from now); anyway, my comment regarding Jim Glickenhaus testing the KERS was also meant serious. I think, you need a lot of testing out in the field, to sort out all the gremlins, that possibly occur with a technology, that is quite new. Especially with possible risks regarding safety (Batteryfire etc....). Best --e-
     
  10. Napolis

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    KERS safety is a real issue. You can't let the batteries overheat or they will catch on fire and as burning batteries release oxygen you can't put that out. We worked a lot with the FIA to develop KERS safety systems.
     
  11. elipinski

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    Jim, from your experience, do you think, there will be issues with the KERS/Battery, if the car is not regularly driven (i dont see myself using the 150 as my DD :)?
     
  12. davide b

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    Ciao, we have the same Gto color, at the moment i don't know if i have a slot for the new CAR, but this times i think Will be red or black, yours?
    Ciao
     
  13. Napolis

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    KERS systems are VERY complex. If I were you I'd try every thing in your F70, EVERYTING and if there's a problem with it have it fixed immediately under warrantee. I'd also follow every instruction about servicing/maintaining especially ecu/car battery and KERS battery charging. The cost to fix these systems outside of warrantee will be astronomical.

    It's interesting to note that Porsche is already developing a non KERS version of the 918.
     
  14. mathematics

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    Can you tell me more pls????

    Is this confirmed or rumor? Is the model suppose to sit above or below the 918?

    If this is true, it might make more sense for me to hold off on the 918 and wait for this.

    Your details and thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    thanks
     
  15. Napolis

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    From what I've been told it will be lighter and less expensive than the 918. It will likely also have a different motor as the 918 motor needs the KERS torque fill in as it's designed to make big HP but needs KERS to fill in until it comes on the cam. I've heard this one is now referred to as the 961.

    I bet the Porsche forums will have more information.

    Gererally my thoughts are KERS is very interesting and Porsche will get it right but the 918 will not be a lightweight and that's what you have to think about.
     
  16. elipinski

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    Happy New Year. I think red outside. Will spec in the end of 1/13, at the private viewing. Best regards-e
     
  17. elipinski

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    Honestly i wish, the f70 would come without kers; anyway, ca.900 hp from a naturally aspirated engine are sufficient
     
  18. elipinski

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    #18 elipinski, Dec 31, 2012
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    thats my point-- i prefer lightweight to additional kers-hp; i dont really understand the philosophy of the kers in a street-legal car, but maybe its, because ferrari wants to put all the latest technology in their new super-car
     
  19. Napolis

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    Especially with a V12 that makes a lot of torque. KERS makes more sense with a smaller motor that needs torque fill in.

    Happy New Year!
     
  20. elipinski

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    Happy New Year to all my fellow F-Chatters- Shana Towah:)
     
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    shana tova umetukah - Have a Good Sweat Year All !!
     
  22. DLC

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    In watching the video's of the 918 experience at the Barber Motorsport venue, for selected guest, I wish someone can clarify for me how the "race" mode operates. This is the full hybrid mode selection and after looking at the videos, the 918 can only operate a few laps around Barber before the batteries are at a diminished charge rate and require re-charging. My question is can the driver select "e" assistance when he or she choses (like corner exits) to manage battery life? Are these modes selected "on" or "off" at the touch of a button?
     
  23. elipinski

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    Jim, can you give us an idea, how much charge is applied to the kers (battery), while braking?
     
  24. Peloton25

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    Did you read this - it gives some insight:

    http://jalopnik.com/porsche-918-spyder/

    >8^)
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  25. Napolis

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    When we raced at the Ring our 24 hour pace was about 8:30 seconds laps. Remember that our laps are "The Ring" plus the GP Circuit. We were able to recapture about 50 seconds per lap of 35KW KERS just from braking. This was used by our drivers to produce torque when we needed it mostly coming out of turns to fill in torque before the petrol engine could make it. We did this lap after lap for 24 finishing 12 OA, 1 in class. In Qualifying we ran "The Ring" in 6:51 with KERS. Since the 24 we re engineered our engine once again increasing it's displacement from 4 to 4.5 liters and improved our energy recapture and KERS cooling to increase our KERS to 50KW. Our Petrol Hp went from about 470 to 530 at the rear wheels. We also came up with a program that armed the KERS by GPS just after a hard brake point on the next full throttle application. We are now about 20 seconds a lap faster overall. The key to KERS is "ramming" charge into reluctant batteries at huge stepped up voltage VERY quickly by turning the KERS motor into a generator thus braking the rear wheels. This raises the KERS batteries temperature and we cooled the battery pack with AC and the generator/motor and inverter with liquid. We crunched huge data which we shared with the system's manufacture which is a FIAT owned company and made a lot of changes based on what we've learned. So far we're the highest finishing sports car hybrid in a 24 hour endurance race where KERS is allowed when ever you want to use it. At Le Mans so far you can only use it in a few spots.

    We've gotten the FIA to allow Hybrids "GT3" level of Petrol HP and 50 KW of KERS. Under this formula 918/P1/F70 could all race and there are 4 24's that will let hybrids race. The 24 of Nurburgring, The 24 Hours of Spa, 24 in the Middle east and 24 in Asia. If a 918/P1 or F 70 shows up in 2014 we'll be back with P 4/5 C. In the meantime we're looking at designing, building and racing a Prototype and a GT in Grand Am/ALMS for two different manufactures in 2014. This Net TV show interestingly picked up on some of this.
     

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