Hello everyone, I am new to these forums and just wanted to discuss exhaust options for the F8 platform. I saw this Youtube video yesterday of a Valvetronic Designs system and loved the sound and look of it. Was interested in hearing everyone's thoughts!
Ferrari Warranty Void Car will 100% need the ECU parameter changed (tuned) Most all doing mods care less about warranty - deep pocket to self pay for any issues Depends on if your state has emissions testing Personal preference - I don't like the blued exhaust tips
Warranty not void in all cases, Novitec Tectronic unit negates need for a remap - thus all exhaust parts are reversible. Totally up to your dealer how they handle it, I know of dozens of F8s with exhausts and warranty in place.
This is all been discussed way more than it needs on this forums and so many others. Facts are facts though. To get any aftermarket exhaust to properly work on a F8, the ECU must be re-programmed. Every yearly scheduled service..ie oil change... the car will have to go back to stock...unplug the Novitec piggyback which my dealer reports really hasn't worked out well and they stopped dealing with this mod. The car is plugging into the Ferrari computer, downloads, photo's etc logged at service. What a huge expense and pain in the a$$ to have to re-install the entire stock exhaust and access the ECU. You can't say just leave the mod'ed exhaust on because the car will not run correctly and throw codes and log them on the ECU when you unplug the Novitec piggy back. The warranty is not up to the dealer and not with the dealer...warranty is with Ferrari the manufacture.
I have the full Kline Valvetronic Inconel exhaust on my car with 200 cells cats, and the Novitec Techtronic OBD plugin. This exhaust looks like a copy, you will definitely need tuning if you’re gonna do anything less than 200 cell cats. My dealership has not voided my warranty and I have openly discussed my mods with them every annual service. I’ve had NO problems with the Novitec OBD plug in, works as advertised. The car is MUCH more enjoyable without the GPFs! If anything does happen during my remaining warranty period, I’ll work with my dealership. I’m not concerned, as always YMMV.
I hope it all works out for you... I don't hear about these mods hurting the car and the F8 turbos are better than the 488's with reliability. The F8 is a horrible sounding car with stock exhaust. It doesn't need GPF and it sounds so much better with no cats or 200 cell cats and a nice rear section for exhaust. I am getting ready to possibly purchase the full extended warranty. I have Novitec springs and HRE wheels on my car. My dealer even installed them. I just had my headliner fixed under warranty and when picking up the car we briefly went over the extended warranty and the service mngr explained that Ferrari is now extremely picky on warranty cars....no mod's allowed, even after market wheels. So I will need to put my stock wheels on for service-warranty and the inspection for the extended warranty. I was told I probably will need to have them remove with Novitec springs as they can't get around Ferrari anymore due to all the cars info they need to give them during inspections service warranty etc....
The reason it is discussed so frequently is because the issue simply isn't understood well enough - your assertion in not universally correct. I stated very clearly, it's up to your dealer how they handle it - they have chosen to be very hardline about it. So in your case, yes you absolutely cannot run an exhaust. This does not mean that every car will have it's warranty invalidated, as I mentioned before I know of dozens of F8s that have these exhausts and still have their warranty in place. The fear mongering needs to stop, I'm very sorry that your dealer has made the decision that they have but that does not mean every other F8 owner in the world is in the same boat as you.
No arguing or fear mongering... I state absolute facts....you might think the warranty is in place and fact is the warranty is NOT with the dealer the warranty is with the manufacture. The dealer might try to hide the fact the car is modded and lie to Ferrari if there is a warranty issue but only so much they can hide or risk issues as a Ferrari dealer with the manufacture. These are FACTS I am stating not fear mongering. I highly suggest anyone wanting to investigate to call Ferrari North America or Ferrari SPa in Italy and discuss warranty and any mod's you are thinking about. My car is modded with springs and wheels.... if I have a suspension part go out or drive axel it's up to me to pay to fix. If I go to purchase another extended warranty I will absolutely need to return the car to stock and go through the extended warranty inspection. @todd cloud posted in another thread what is under warranty and what you can not do to the car under Ferrari warranty...document he posted is from Ferrari. Dealer has ZERO say so in this....unless the dealer lies to Ferrari.
I can only speak for what Ferrari Tampa told me. Zero tolerance for any exhaust mod for a warranty. I guess other dealers are more tolerant. I don’t have the balls to roll the dice and alter mine even though it sounds like crap.
If you like the brand, don't mod a Ferrari under any circumstances. The dealers are in it for themselves but the warranty is from the mothership so they will have the final say, even if the dealer is on your side. If the factory find you've modded one of their creations, its also likely they'll never sell you a new car again.
I don’t think they can remove the entire warranty. If something happens that could be a function of the exhaust being changed, they can then choose not to warranty. The MMA act allows for modifications to a car and the dealer cannot automatically in warranty if the part isn’t the cause of the issue. Now, they will likely challenge you and winning might mean an attorney to argue it…which in the end could be the same economic impact as no warranty. if you’re self insuring against the cost, then mod away. If you want the least friction, don’t mod.
Ferrari is a public company these days. They might not sell someone a special version if they made significant modifications to a car. However, they'll gladly take that person's money for a model that is not limited in production.
Ferrari should come out with its own exhaust mod for the F8 especially for the US where the GPF is not required. They would definitely make money with this idea. I have no idea how many cars were produced but even at say 10-12k per car would be a nice revenue stream for them and make us happy too.
Concur! Why make people drive around for three years or more with a substandard "soundtrack?" Everyone agrees the engine is crazy good. Yet, its sound is sub-par. The only reason countless people do not get an exhaust mod is for fear of having their waranty voided (even if the likelihood of using it in the first three years is scant). The people who have gone the mod route rave about how the decision transformed their car's character. Companies like Novitec, Capristo and others have exceptional products that reflect tremendous engineering efforts. Ferrari could easily make money by simply offering a GPF delete option for markets where it is not required. Low hanging fruit with high margins!
Each model year of F8 is certified by EPA and CARB for sale in the US with the GPF as part of the emissions control system. While GPF are not mandatory on US cars until the MY2025, the fact that all F8 have the GPF as part of the EPA and CARB certification process makes removal of the system illegal under the Clean Air Act. There is no way around this. Warranty issues (while important) and whether you live in a city with emissions testing are both secondary to the fundamental illegal nature of the GPF delete itself. The “track only” excuse companies like Novitec and others use to sell these mods to dim witted customers will not last much longer. Just ask the DPF delete vendors on the diesel trucks. EPA has been hammering them for almost 3 years now. Dealers cannot take these modded cars in on trade because they cannot sell them. Similarly, when properly and timely notified, BAT will remove from auction a car with cat or GPF delete or other mods that violate the CAA. As far as warranty issues go, separate and distinct from the legal issues, the progression of the 458 to the 488 to the F8 to the 296 has brought about a situation where the exhaust configuration and engine management systems are so intertwined that I don’t see any real room to mod an exhaust without an ECU tune. And I think most of us agree a tune is a warranty killer.
I agree with what are saying about the warranty. However, many of the aftermarket systems do have Sport Cats options (thus making it possible to pass emissions inspections without issue). Now, tuning the ECU is generally accepted as a warranty killer. But, there are dealers who do such tunes for their customers and do not invalidate warranty claims for things not impacted by the warranty or exhaust system. So, I have a question for the chat members. How many people have simply said "screw it" and put an aftermarket exhaust on their car with an ECU tune beliving the likelihood of making a warranty claim in the first 36 months is acceptably low? Furthermore, how many people have simply returned their car to stock before selling it?
Units like the Capristo OBD Wizard and Novitec Tectronic are designed to circumvent the need for a map. They deal with cat inefficiency errors and (in the Tectronic's case) GPF errors. Once they are unplugged the car is bone stock.
There is another thread on this board where this trick no longer works on an F8 past a certain build date?
Yes I've seen that, although I've known it to be installed on at least 20 MY22 cars without any issue. The bigger issue seems to be with removing the catalysts completely, the car then throws backpressure warning codes which the device isn't programmed to cancel. The solution seems to be to install sport catalysts (100-cell work fine), with the Tectronic device in place no warning lights show.
