F80 Reportedly Having Issues Selling

There is already a market developing to turn the hybrids into straight IC.

 

So that’s the 360 era, in 2004 the stickers were

360 Modena - $152k
360 Spider - $172k
360 CS. - $193k

wow!

 

Yes, at least in Europe there is a second round of allocations coming for the so-called "runner up" clients who missed out the initial allocations. The car is too expensive and there are concerns about residuals/collectability due to the nature of the powertrain and ambivalent design. Initial clients are passing on their allocations.

 

this is good news, only hard problems can force Ferrari to change destructive ideology

 

Are there still plans to push an Aperta?

 

Requires regime change.

Elkann living proof that failure predictably results w/nepotism. LCDM would still be there w/meritocracy.

 

For 296?

 

799 coupes + 499 apertas no?

 

if your numbers are true then second hand market would be interesting to see I wonder if price of F80 could drop close to F40 level

 

No

Ferrari never said if the 799 are only Coupe, include the Aperta, or if they will produce Aperta on top
The original production plan showed 599 Coupe and 200 Aperta. That may have changed but no official numbers have been mentioned by the factory

 

Let’s hope! Because 799+499 at the prices quoted seems like a lot.

 

F80 will be interesting. Looking forward to F80s value. It will be under the msrp.. Hopefully

 

I would assume that Ferrari never want to see this happen. Apart from the damage to the brand, it will make future launches of limited cars highly problematic, not to mention put at risk all the sales of regular production cars that the brand’s top clients generate.

 

I think that horse has left the barn … but let’s see.

 

Second this with the original plan for 599 Coupe, 199 Aperta, (30 true XX). At launch there was said to be no Aperta - but highly unlikely as it's a huge revenue and massive profit to leave on the table.

 

There are rumors on the street about employees of Ferrari Financial speaking off the record that they don't believe F80 will hold value. But that's what they are, just rumors.

 

Worst example I have heard is double digit percentage of allocated clients at a dealer passing on the car. Even at those volumes, there is more than enough take for an Aperta. It's a suckers game.

 

You think F80 expensive now, just imagine w/10-20% tariff added on....

 

have people not already signed on the car though so price must be held?

 

The final price of the car is not guaranteed and is subject to change at any time prior to delivery.

 

Aren't you tired of being treated like this !?

 

I'm tired of many things, but not necessarily this.

This aspect (no guarantee of final pricing) is common across manufacturers when it comes to ultra-exotic cars. A price increase isn't super common, but it does happen.

Looking at contracts from Bugatti, Gordon Murray, Koenigsegg and Pagani: the price in the contract is almost always Ex Works, which means you still have to get the car from the manufacturer to your country. Therefore, things like import duties are outside of the contract's scope. Even otherwise, these contracts usually call out that governmental or regulatory changes can cause the price to increase. Once in a while, the manufacturer just increases the price because the gestation period is so long that inflation catches them and ruins their margins. Add to this the complication that these manufacturers only want to be paid in their local currencies, so forex fluctuation across multiple payments spread out over several years can mean that the effective final price can be drastically different for different customers.

McLaren and Ferrari also sell cars in the above manner, but those are typically track-only cars or special-project cars.

For cars such as the F80 and the W1, the initially advertised base price for a country (e.g. USA) does include duties, but an abrupt significant increase in duties is unlikely to be eaten by the manufacturer.

 

I heard the same. But was wondering if they would cancel it since coupe isn't selling as well.

 

Ask yourself what makes the most euros and that is the answer.

 

You mean by the Donald?