If you really see nothing wrong in what they did, it would really make me think twice of ever stepping into your shop.....
If you sold me a supposing Italian made Ferrari at the price of a Toyota, would I be suprised to find out it was made in Taiwan.....No. Would I feel cheated, Probably, but I did get my monies worth. I, in effect got what I paid for. Actually maybe more if the quality was a good as what everyone says on this site. Would I do business with them in the future or recommend them? that depends on Fabspeeds answers and maybe more proof of wrong doing. all I have seen so far is accusations and some invoices. it may be true, it may be partially true or not true at all. at this point I am not convinced either way. My Father always told me, you get nothing for free in life and you get what you pay for. It will cost you hard work, hassles, comprimise, or outright cash. If you are offered anything at half the price....buyer beware and better look close. Regards, Jim
I just don`t know the facts and neither do you. And if you jump to conclutions this quickly. Please go to another shop. I do not need your business. Best regards, Jim
If I were the guys over at FABspeed, I would not drop the "Made in America" line; I would just stop bringing in the parts from over seas and go back to producing them in house. AND then raise the prices, and then lets see how many freak out. They designed the produces that are being made, Im sure they just needed the volume quickly to meet the demand of everyone. They made a business decision to do what they have done to keep everyone happy, and keep their price where it needed to be. American's dont want to work like people else where in the world, thats how they can keep their end produce cheaper for us. Oh, and good luck just calling over to Taiwan and being able to buy a set of "Headers" at cost. FABspeed does make these headers here in the state. So they have some tubing made somewhere else, that doesnt make them not made in the USA, the TUBES are not, the Headers are! Everyone here should just relax, and stop attacking this sponsor before they say F-off and move one. Their product sells its self, not being on a forum. I have not connection with FABspeed; Im just in the manufacturing business. We bring raw materials in from all over, and then use them to produce stuff here in the USA Guys at FABspeed, Keep doing what you're doing and dont let these guys get you down! Jim
You arnt getting it. I dont think people have a problem if they are built as you suggest, the issue is that Fabspeed is misleading with their advertisements. Personally, I hope they figure it out as I would hate to see a good, small business fail or have to deal with these issues. I used Fabspeed products on my 911's and never had any issues or reasons to question them. I am not sure I cared where they were made as it was never brought up. At this point it is just a matter of doing the right thing and I am sure people will forgive and move on.
No but your post seem to imply that so what if it's not fabricated where as advertised, as long as it works, what's the big deal. So if you charged me for a Ferrari part, but actually installed a generic brand, as long as it's working, that makes it okay?
No, Sir, I got it; I just dont care, thats the difference. You just said it yourself, you've used their product before in the past and never had any reason to question the quilty of it, you do now, Why? The product was designed here and spec'ed and the end product is made here, tested here, and appoved buy the people that deisgned it. Why question where is tubing is put into a mandrel bender and started welding. Jim
How long did PreFab(inTaiwain)Speed think they could keep up this made in USand A charade? This will get around like wildfire and they will never live it down. Hard lesson there guys.
I predict it is going to spread like wildfire beyond Fabspeed. I have already had another exhaust manufacturer request I take this down and so far this has just been hitting one of their competitors hard! Why would they want it down?
How do you now where there products were designed? Just curious. I am under the impression it was designed by a 3rd party who also provided these designs to others; i.e. Agency, Vivid, etc. I dont know this for fact but I doubt you do either unless you work at Fabspeed? In regards to caring, I dont really care either although I am curious how this will be resolved.
That's where I used to value Sfefvan's threads, where I think Capristo seems to have a clear edge. The explanation of their flowbench and design work, the level of credibility. It's not hard to get a verifiable performance gain simply removing precats for tubes. It's sorta like claims of performance increases adding CF airboxes WITH BMC filters. It's not the carbon fiber that makes you go faster. Airflow is kinda important. And you can use BMC filters with the stock boxes.
I do not know where they were designed, I just figured that Fabspeed did going of the this being said in the 1st page. "Fabspeed Motorsport is an engineering and manufacturing company based in the USA". I have nothing to do with FABspeed, I just feel sorry for them, I have seen things like this kill little shops like this, and I dont feel they are being give a good wrap here.
Agreed that the customer if told something it should be true. I personally do not know all the facts so I cannot say either way. I just do not like the way this has gone. It for sure could have been done in a much more civil manner. and I do not like how quickly the bashing has commenced on one persons accusation. To me a case of guilty until proven innocent. BTW...I use only OEM parts unless the client wishes otherwise, which concidering the cost of ferrari OEM parts, they sometimes opt for the latter, But they do know what they are getting. and the point that you assume that of me shows me what to expect of you as a client. You do not know me and people that know me would not even question. This is exactly my point. here I am, voicing my opinion and now this guy just pops up and accuses me of using sub standard parts....He does not know me, he never met me, Does not know my business, never saw my work, but his assumption is initially negitive. Just like this thread. Regards, Jim
Over-promising and under-delivering seems to be typical in the automotive world. I take everything I read in someone's advertising to be an exaggeration until I know otherwise. The more "bloviating" someone does about their product or service and how much research and development, blah, blah, blah went in to it, the more suspect I tend to become. I have no opinion one way or the other specifically about the company in discussion.
you are merely advocating bait and switch. perhaps it works for your business model on unsuspecting customers but that does not make it right.
+1. It seems to me that they are designed and manufactured overseas, and then sold and rebranded by a number of other "manufactures"
Since you brought it up, my father taught me that a man's word and his honesty are his most important values. Fairly common lesson from dad's, but clearly not everyone's... What part of the posts I pointed out to you earler wherein a Fabspeed employee/representative stated that none of their products come from anywhere but the good old US of A and Germany, was the part you need explained to you? What part of their lame attempt at saying something contradictary to that in another thread that I also pointed out to you is confusing? We are not relying solely on what Stef posted to know they are back-tracking from their earlier statements. You are blind to this for some inexplicable reason. Oh well, I'm done trying to open your eyes to FABSPEEDS OWN WORDS. Can't wait to see your post wherein you come back to this thread and say "gee, okay, now I see that they did say (more than once but not these exact words - the exact words are posted mulitple times above) "made in USA, no chinese parts" and now they admit that is not true." Good grief. Not needing the business is a good thing for you, since there are now at least two of us (and more if you keep posting nonsense) that won't do business with you.
put blame where it is due. people can't have it both ways expecting free speech and then blame me when they hear something they don't like. I agree he pushed the line, but his own fault.
