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  1. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    I was going to post in the "Crappy Replicas Thread", but I don't think FFR is really that bad of a replica company so that's why it's here instead of in there.

    I was wondering if anyone here has any experience in building an FFR, and more specifically a 65 Coupe.

    I have had my eye on one for a couple years now, and think I'm about a year away from pulling the trigger on it. Base 5.0 engine/ T-5 transmission and so forth, but I was curious if you have any inside info about the prices you see in between the donor and the finished product.

    Thanks guys.
    Peter Hatch
     
  2. FerrariF50lover

    FerrariF50lover Formula 3

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    My only words of wisdom are use a modern cobra block vs the 5.0 block and a T-56. Depending on how nice you do them they start in the low 20's finished if you do the work by yourself and so on.
     
  3. smg2

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    I keep in contact with the local snake club here, I have seen the gamut from needs better work to show car. to pull off the price FFR states your using a donor and the car will look decent and be a driver, but for the real nice example you're looking at 50k.

    I'm in the same boat as you, I want to but I also know the level of commitment and money it would need to make me happy. I have neither at the moment so it waits. my prelim budget penciled out to about 75k, at that level there are alot of other cars to consider. Also CA is harsh on the 'kit' cars.
     
  4. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    two words...

    1. kirk
    2. ham

    !!!!
     
  5. FerrariF50lover

    FerrariF50lover Formula 3

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    Superperformance makes a nice kit as well.
     
  6. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    yes they do.
     
  7. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    Superformance is nice but way too expensive on a kid's budget.

    I want to use a 289/C4 but I don't know how much wiring problems I will have going that direction rather than using a standard 5.0 and a new harness. I was told that it should be easier to use the 289 because of simplicity of design and so forth. Rebuilding it is probably the route I will have to go if I decide on the 289, but it is still a toss up between all donor or donor suspension with the 289 and transmission.

    Thanks guys,

    Peter Hatch
     
  8. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    http://www.ffcobra.com everything you need to know.

    I built a roadster and love it. Into it for about $25k.
     
  9. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    I'm on www.ffcobra.com user name Peter Hatch.

    I've been on there near two years. Just wondering if any of you guys had built a coupe. I know that the roadster's are sold much more frequently than the coupe's and because of that the roadster's have much fewer problems fit and finish wise than the coupe. I've talked to a couple guys, but they are much too excited with their finished product to talk about all the problems along the way.

    There is going to be a meet nearby my house in a couple weeks so I will have to swing by there and check it out and ask around.

    Just from your experience, how much of that 25k was because of things that didn't fit on the kit?

    Other than the engine/tranny I'm hoping to use all donor 5.0 parts so it
    should be fairly straight forward. (Not that I'm expecting to have it on the road for less than 20k)

    Thanks,
    Peter Hatch
     
  10. Pantera

    Pantera F1 Rookie

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    It really depends on how you wanna do it. There's litarly a million cobra replica builders out there but nothing like a Factory Five Cobra. The more work you do by yourself is the less money you put out depending on the project. Iv'e seen kids my age build these cars as there first for under 20k and its more than capable of beating a C6 Z06 all day long.

    My advise is to buy a donorcar in mint condition so that you don't have to reinvest more money to it. Do most of the work yourself and also start chatting up over on the kitcar forums, you never know they got great advise on those forums if you wanna build one. Its a pretty black and white kit since you'll be using a new chassis and body all you really need to do is add in the componants to the vehicle and your done.

    Last but not least check your local DMV/Motorvehicle department for rules and regualtions before buying anything(unless you want a mustang for no apparent reason) it varys from state to state and maybe in your state they requre somethings to be built diffrent than others. Check with insurance companys as well because GEICO ain't gonna insure a replica or kitcar so you might wanna also take that into concideration.

    Iv'e been thinking about doing a GTM in the next year or two but iam currently checking into a Fiero based kit perhaps by summertime to begin work.
     
  11. need4speed

    need4speed Formula 3

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    I've also got the bug to build my own car someday. A question that comes up is how do you dispose of the donor car after all is said and done? Usually, you take the drivetrain and the suspension so it doesn't even roll at that point. Do you call a flat bed to take it to the auto scrapyard?

    Just curious
     
  12. -FROG-

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    If you don't know much about cars, then buy one already built, so you can enjoy it. Most kit cars and replicas on Ebay are 80% finished... people get fed up and give up, so they sell them. If you do build one, go with a 5.0 motor. No need for anything modern, just a straight up 302 with heads cam, etc... will be fine. Naturally Asparated 5.0's run 11's at the track all day long. The guy that bought mine is running 9's on my 120K+ mile stock bottom end motor. Plus parts are EVERYWHERE for 302's. If anything... buy a 5.0 Mustang and toy around with that for a while, learn about it and then strip it down to make your Cobra.
     
  13. -FROG-

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    Exactly. Get your $75.00 for the steel at the scrap yard.
     
  14. FerrariF50lover

    FerrariF50lover Formula 3

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    Or put it on ebay and some one will buy it as a shell to make a race car out of.
     
  15. Pantera

    Pantera F1 Rookie

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    Pretty much how its done. Another thing you could do before calling a towing company to remove that rustang from your drive way is to put it on Ebay because you can get alittle more for putting it up for sale. Depending on the body plannels of the foxbody or whatever you can resell them to local body shops and they'll pay for them more than what a scrapyard would give you.
     
  16. Pantera

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    I wouldn't recomend buying a completed kit from a private seller.

    If your gonna go for a completed car its best you buy a turnkey from the company but its gonna cost you some serious bucks. Some companys offer warrentes on there turnkey kits I know most of the lambo replica kits offer them usally 3 years.
     
  17. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    The basic idea for the donor car once all the peices are stripped is to sell the interior, and then the entire stripped body as just a shell, most likely to someone who will want to make it into a racecar of sorts.

    I would have to agree about the not buying from a private seller. Companies that build them for you charge an arm and a leg, and I want to have the experience, not just the car.

    I'll let you guys know how it progresses. Right now I'm just searching for a donor (if you know of a cheap 5.0 in San Jose or this area PM me). As soon as I have that I'll be saving for the kit, then of course saving more to have the kit finished to a standard that is acceptable.

    Peter Hatch
     
  18. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

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    Zero as far as I recall. The only thing I remember not being right was some of the aluminum interior trim but reworking it didn't cost anything. My "base" investment was $16500. Options and little crap got that up to $19500. Paint (I did it myself but it's still expensive), some engine work, koni SA coilovers, etc., brought me to $25k give or take. Honestly, I stopped paying attention to the details once it was on the road.

    As you noted, I built a roadster though. The coupe guys clearly have to invest more effort. The kit isn't as thoroughly debugged.
     
  19. aventino

    aventino Formula Junior

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    What about a GT 40 kit instead? Aside from the trans the cost can't be crazy different.
     
  20. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    Where do you know a place that it costs 15k for a GT 40 kit?

    I would have to agree that the GT 40 would be awesome, but I just figure this will be cheaper, and I like the design of the Daytona more than that of the GT 40. It just has smoother lines and so forth, not as cut-throat race car for the street.

    If you know of a cheap GT 40 kit that is worth it (fitment wise, and how accurate it is) let me know.

    Peter Hatch
     
  21. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    Yeah, that is my biggest worry, pieces not fitting together alright. I really believe that everything will be alright only using a donor. Aside from wiring that is. Paint is going to be some money, and body work will be a challenge, but me and my buddies want to take that on ourselves.

    I'll be in contact with you. What is your username over at FFC?
    Thanks.

    Peter Hatch
     
  22. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

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  23. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    Yes, the doors are supposed to be the worst fit out of any part provided. I'm planning on hanging out this weekend with a couple Coupe owners/builders, so I can see what they assume to be the biggest problems and "budget busters" as they call them.

    I'm getting close to buying my donor. I'll let you know if I have any problems that I think you could help with.

    I don't need it to be fancy, just working and something that will continue to work for a long time. Money not being something I have copious amounts of, I'm trying to be frugal with my spending, and I've decided that a full donor build can be built upon later.

    Great looking Cobra by the way. I'm hoping mine will come together a little faster than that though.

    Peter Hatch
     
  24. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

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    Hey, it was on the road in 6 months! While I was working 2 jobs! :)

    It did take 2 years to get "done" AND red but I got run over by a car during that time. Slows ya way down and I hate bodywork to begin with.
     
  25. cntchds

    cntchds Formula 3

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    With a broken back no less!

    On the road and done are very different, as I'm sure you know! :p

    I have a couple questions about the registration processes and getting titles for it etc. I will be sending you a message soon.

    The bodywork shouldn't be AS bad on the coupe since there are pretty much only two real body pieces. The front clip, and the rest of the body... Then of course those doors.

    But I may have to eat my words. We'll see!

    Peter Hatch
     

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