Fake shields, what's up with that? | Page 3 | FerrariChat

Fake shields, what's up with that?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by MufflerMan, Dec 15, 2005.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2003
    1,779
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Mark
    Privateer competition cars should not.

    SF = Scuderia Ferrari = Team Ferrari.

    No individual car not run in a race by the factory should ever carry the SF fender shields.

    Street cars that were not compaigned by the factory should not, street cars that were never campaigned by the factory should not... the 2+2s would never.

    Iirc, Chinetti may have affixed NART badges to 275 GTB/4 Spiders, but that would have been incorrect for those that never raced as well.

    (And any Volvo wagon with a NART sticker should be torched.)

    This has all been muddled by the company applying them to the 288, F40, F50 & Enzo as new, and offering the shields as part of the Scaglietti customization program from the 355 on.

    ...But that ship sailed first when they called a 180deg V-12 a "Boxer".
     
  2. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2003
    1,779
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Mark
    A Dino with the word Ferrari or the cavalino rampante logo anywhere but on the door jamb plate is incorrect.
     
  3. 308 GTB

    308 GTB F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 7, 2002
    11,758
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Barry Wolinsky
    #53 308 GTB, Dec 20, 2005
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Sometimes a cheap sticker is the "real deal:"
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  4. Llenroc

    Llenroc F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jun 9, 2004
    5,585
    Colorado
    Full Name:
    Vern
    I agree. I wonder which is really the fake? The original form of the graphic/sheild was used only on competition cars and was either painted on or plastic material, not an enamal badge. So the "fake" is really the enamel/cloisonne that has been offered by the factory and is really just a marketing item offered as an expensive option by Ferrari. Now having said that I still think the enamel shields are a cool touch, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone using the decal type either, ie; look at the above pic!!
     
  5. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2003
    1,779
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Mark
    Genuine: Cheap or flimsy vinyl or mylar on any vehicle entered into competition by the factory.

    Faux: Any type on any vehicle not entered into competition by the factory.
     
  6. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Dec 6, 2002
    79,418
    Houston, Texas
    Full Name:
    Bubba
    Nice to see the cracked tail light lens, also original! Nice pic, Barry! LOL!
     
  7. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
    Sponsor Owner

    Jan 19, 2004
    7,881
    San Jose, California
    Full Name:
    Mike
    >>>then it would be like staring at a pair of perfect tits but missing the nipples.

    PERFECT! Great analogy.
    I've said it before; I'd rather drive a 355 with shields than a Modena without them. It's always the first thing that catches my eye when I see a Ferrari.

    But the *real* question is this: If I put the aftermarket shields on my 1998 Acura CL, will people think it's a Ferrari? I mean, my coworkers thought that my Modena was a Mustang (they said it was because they saw a horse on the back). It still had the license plaque that said in big, bold letters "Ferrari of San Francisco", and the license plate frame said, "Ferrari of San Francisco", maybe 15 inches under said "horse"...
     
  8. Nero308

    Nero308 Karting

    Jan 2, 2004
    190
    NorCal
    Full Name:
    Yoshi
    #58 Nero308, Dec 21, 2005
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Here shows a variety of shields available in the market. The real OEM cloissone (enamel) one is also displayed here among others in case you may be wondering which one is the "genuine" and ridiculously expensive. This is not a quiz. While the whole debate on what is considered genuine and fake is all good, it is me who decides whether I put the shields on my car and moreover what type (genuine or non-genuine) I decide to put on based on my preference. The last thing I want is somebody to tell me what I do is right or wrong. I sell the replica shields but have never forced or tried to change their preference as it is a personal preference. What matters is whether you are happy with your car "as-is" or "tailored to your preference."
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  9. khayes

    khayes Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
    591
    Austin, TX
    Full Name:
    Kelly Hayes
    I'm guessing that the original Shield is the one that you are pointing to with your right toe. :)
     
  10. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

    Oct 30, 2004
    7,821
    Central Texas
    BRAVO on your post! We have a 2+2 that often wears her shields when we take her out.

    Carol
     
  11. Gatorrari

    Gatorrari F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 27, 2004
    16,538
    Georgia
    Full Name:
    Jim Pernikoff
    Here's my take on the shields controversy. We have always heard that the only reason Ferrari made road cars was to finance the racing team. While that may no longer be true, what with the massive F1 sponsorships of today, it would have certainly still been true when my 328 was built in 1986.

    So if someone purchasing my car back then was, in a small way, helping finance the racing team, then the car should be entitled to wear the Scuderia shield as a badge of honor, respect and support.

    Forza Ferrari!
     
  12. Nero308

    Nero308 Karting

    Jan 2, 2004
    190
    NorCal
    Full Name:
    Yoshi
    Just for the record, the OEM cloissone shield by Ferrari is the one above it (upper right hand corner). Our replica shield is the one on the upper left hand corner (though the yellow looks brighter or more vivid than the OEM shield in the picture, it is actually the same yellow color). Good try though!
     
  13. 308 GTB

    308 GTB F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 7, 2002
    11,758
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Barry Wolinsky
    That was the view most drivers had of Tony Adamowicz and Sam Posey's Daytona at the 1972 Le Mans 24 hours. They won second place in the Grand Touring car category and finished sixth overall.
     
  14. ashsimmonds

    ashsimmonds F1 World Champ

    Feb 14, 2004
    14,385
    adelaide, australia
    Full Name:
    Humble Narrator
    #64 ashsimmonds, Dec 21, 2005
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  15. sandersja

    sandersja Formula Junior

    Jan 16, 2003
    367
    Portland OR
    Full Name:
    John Sanders
    Shields are basically for owners who want to make sure that anyone who sees their car recognizes it as a Ferrari. If anything, I think they take away from the look of the car.

    I always look at them the same way as I do for designer labels on the outside of clothes - trying to impress by brandname rather than from style and substance.
     
  16. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
    12,887
    Cumming, Georgia
    Full Name:
    Franklin E. Parker
    A good body man can recess the shields in the fender just like OEM. Here in the Atlanta area , Bo Pirkle, who has been doing paint and body work for FAF and now FoA from 25 years or so has been recessing SF shields for years.
     
  17. speedy

    speedy Formula Junior

    Oct 18, 2005
    625
    Plano, TX
    Full Name:
    James Gardner
    So what does Ferrari think of the "fake" shields?

    Do you think that Ferrari approved the final design and dimensions of the "fakes"? - OH YES. They even have a trademark on the "F" in Ferrari.

    Is it possible that this Ferrari approved the design with the assumption that it would be put on fenders? - One would think that Ferrari already thought of this. Given the size of the "fake". Especially the enamel ones. (hint hint)

    Is it possible for a company, not licensed by Ferrari, to mass produce these "fakes" and sell them in authorized Ferrari dealerships around the world? - Highly doubtful. Dealerships can get into some serious trouble for selling knock off products.

    So why the big fuss over who should and should not have these on their cars? I think since Ferrari signed off on these little guys, then so should we....The officially licensed ones of course.

    But then again we all have our opinions.
     
  18. 4re4lem

    4re4lem Karting

    Nov 3, 2003
    197
    Thank you from those of us "Ferrari Tifosi" who buy the one they want becacue they want it, not because they want someone to see them in it.
     
  19. jungathart

    jungathart Guest

    Jun 11, 2004
    3,376
    NoVA, AmeriKa
    Full Name:
    Komrade Jung
    a pair of quality shields can negate a belt service.
    if they are inletted, then the PPI is waived. ;)
     
  20. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
    12,887
    Cumming, Georgia
    Full Name:
    Franklin E. Parker
    FYI, the Scuderia Ferrari shields on the race cars in the 50s and 60s were stickers, not the enamel type ones first put on the F40 and then offered as an option on every subsequent model.
     
  21. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
    12,887
    Cumming, Georgia
    Full Name:
    Franklin E. Parker
    FYI, Scuderia Ferrari= Ferrari Stable in Italian, not Team Ferrari.
     
  22. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2003
    1,779
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Mark
    Yes, of course, the literal translation is indeed "stable" but the meaning is still, through "all the racehorses belonging to a single owner or racing establishment",
    "team". ...And the shields thereby, or rather used to, denote, "factory team car".

    Now they are quite something else entirely.
     
  23. speedy

    speedy Formula Junior

    Oct 18, 2005
    625
    Plano, TX
    Full Name:
    James Gardner
    288 GTOs had them before the F40.
     
  24. 308 GTB

    308 GTB F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 7, 2002
    11,758
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Barry Wolinsky
    Literally translated. Still means Team Ferrari.
     
  25. lrattner

    lrattner Formula Junior

    Sep 15, 2004
    390
    Delray Beach, Fl
    Full Name:
    Dr. Lonnie Rattner
    #75 lrattner, Dec 22, 2005
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    As far as I'm concerned adding the shields to a car that didn't have them is like placing a stradale stripe on a car that didn't have it...It's tacky.. Just my opinion.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     

Share This Page