Fatal 360 crash

wow...i'm speechless.

 

I would have guessed a bomb went off and it's very hard to imagine someone surviving that. I guess these cars are supposed to disintegrate at impact. Condolences to the family, and the driver will probably go for involuntary man slaughter.

 

The tire tracks leading to the bridge are really disturbing.

 

Doesn't really matter what car you drive when you hit a solid concrete pillar at the speed he was doing.
Any car would be completely ripped apart....

 

I was in Warsaw earlier this week and the taxi driver from the airport was just scarey. There is a speeding culture in Poland which I am guilty of too as I have been caught numerous times but 200 in a 50 zone is asking for trouble. He should have gone on the highway to do those speeds, not in town.

 

+2.

Very scary indeed!!

 

No, actually he should have saved those speeds for the track and not public roads of any kind, unless they're closed off to the public. Kissing a bridge pillar at that speed probably wouldn't have made any difference regardless of whether the road was public or private, but those who fail to take a lesson from examples like this are doomed to one day suffer the same fate.

 

My heart goes out to the families involved.

Save it for the track guys...please.

 

Would that be safer!?

 

Yes, I do that all the time here in cz and it is safe. Speed does not kill, stupid driving does. When I go across the border to Germany I do 250 legally.

 

Here in Australia, they play MANY advertisements on TV about the dangers of speeding and that speed, in actual fact.....kills people.

 

200kmh on the highway isnt that much. I dont know the quality of the roads in Polant , but in France , they are perfect and with a 360 , you could cruise at 200 kmh all day long without being more dangerous than a guy at 130 kmh in a range rover.

 

So what you're saying is that 200kmh in an F360 on public highway in France considered safe!?

 

Tell that to Ayrton Senna!

 

No , im saying it is safe to do so , no matter how much brain washing the politics are trying to do . Doing 200 kmh on a clear highway isnt dangerous with todays cars.

 

Its not speed that killed him , its the broken suspension arm that went through his helmet and acted as a sword .

 

Tell that to the family of the passenger that died!

 

So does that mean that Senna is a stupid driver then?

Its still the combination of speed and that tiny ripple on the track that caused the accident though! Tracks are far better surfaces than the road, are you really willing to gamble!? If so, then that I think is your perrogative! Even a great driver like Senna wasn't able to control his car in a high speed accident.

 

In Germany the autobahn roads are specifically designed to be exceptionally flat, without any camber issues or flaws in their surfaces - perfect smooth tarmac and regularly Germans enjoy these roads at 200 MPH+ legally. These roads are completely de-restricted (no speed limit whatsoever) and are among some of the safest in Europe. Its poor quality roads, bad driver judgement and lack of skill/education that all contribute to fatalities.

Speed per say does not kill, inappropriate speed kills.

This driver was quite clearly driving inappropriate and has paid the ultimate price.

 

Absolutely right. Autobahns account for 30% of traffic but only 6% of accidents. They are much safer than driving in towns with all the obstacles. I think the stats are quite similar to most countries in Europe for motorway verus non motorway traffic. It is brainwashing of the highest degree that speed kills on motorways.

 

Hmmm, didn't realize Santana was playing in Poland...

 

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186865

In this ^^^ thread I posted a photo of a 360 on 430 wheels that I had seen a few weeks earlier in a used car dealership. Last week popped down there again with some friends but it was no longer there. Then thursday morning I get a link to a news article from a friend - this is exactly the same car that I had seen (came here to share the sad news, saw this thread). It was bought (or at least in temporary possession of) by one of the most known Polish car journalists, Maciej Zientarski. The passenger (although it is still not 100% confirmed who was the driver) was Jaroslaw Zabiega, another journalist from a Polish tabloid. Both men were found outside the vehicle, which had immediately burst into flames upon impact. While Zientarski was pulled away, Zabiega didn't have the same luck. He lay by the car, with clothes burning - one person tried to pull him away, but burned themself from Zabiega's clothes/skin. Someone else tried to extinguish him with an extinguisher but soon the burning car gave off so much heat that it was impossible to approach Zabiega and save him. Zientarski was soon rushed off to the hospital in critical state with injuries and to the whole body (head, broken spine, internal organs, limbs...). He's currently in stable, but still critical state in a sustained coma.

The place where the accident happened is quite well known in Warsaw. There is a bump in the road, where (according to people who know the place) the asphalt has slumped around a small concrete tunnel/pass that runs underneath. Last year there were 2 deaths there... how that happened is quite grotesque. One person killed himself in the exact same manner - BMW M3 bounced off on the bump and flew straight into the concrete pillar. The other person that died was his friend who went there to light some candles in rememberance and was killed by ANOTHER car that went out of control and left the road!

On Polish forums Zientarski is getting a lot of heat for what he did. It is almost indisputible that he must have known about the place, even more so because his father (another known auto journalist) lives in the area. What he did was plain stupid. Witnesses claim he left the lights at WOT (see map below), the result - him in hospital, his friend dead. Zero common sense from someone that was experienced with cars.

If you go to this page, watch the last video at the bottom of the page, shows how a normal car reacts to the road there;

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1540611,wiadomosc.html

From the lights, to the bump (you can even see the stream underneath the road, where the tunnel is) it's about 550m. Considering the 360 does a 1/4mile with a terminal speed of ~180km/h, he could have been going in excess of 200km/h when he lost control of the car.
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Yes,it is safe, 200km/h (120mph) is almost average speed on some parts of Autoroute (A8 in particular).
That is, "safe" until some American tourist in a rental cuts in front of you while doing the proper US speed of 60mph....

The reason for such speeds to be safe is better driver ed in Europe then here,they are better drivers on average, N. American drivers are some of the worst on this planet.

 

By the looks of those tire tracks, the car was slidding sideways when it impacted the pole. Those tracks are not straight on.. Probably hit passenger side first....