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FCA non disclosure agreement for chapter presidents

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  1. 308 Grigio

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    I’m wondering what other FCA chapter presidents think of the new non disclosure agreement that showed up in my email this week.


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  2. Sunshine1

    Sunshine1 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Not a FCA chapter President. For mere mortals (;)), what does the non-disclosure agreement say?
     
  3. kestrou

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    He can’t say! :)

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  4. rob lay

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    I have no clue and wouldn't dare get myself involved because it is none of my business. You are probably handling it right by finding other Chapter Presidents and just discussing among yourself. Others can identify themselves here, our local President is @SAFE4NOW.

    Historically FCA never did anything "weird" unless it was being pressured by Ferrari, like all the logo requirements.
     
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  5. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Eight Time F1 World Champ
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    The people at FNA and Spa are such control freaks, they can't stand the idea of group operating independently.
     
  6. TTR

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    Perhaps it would be better to contact others directly/discreetly/privately ?
    I imagine their contact info can be found on the club’s National online/print publications and/or website.

    While I don’t hold any administrative/official position (nor ever will) in FCA (or any other clubs I’m a member), I suspect this has nothing to do with FNA or Spa, but rather internal politics (which is why I don’t seek any elected positions anywhere).
     
  7. Jeff Kennedy

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    One might characterize it as a loyalty oath to the FCA.
     
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  8. technom3

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    Or the 4th Reich.

    **** I have some cars on order I should prob delete that
     
  9. TTR

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    Why do you consider or compare Ferrari Club of America to a dictatorial state ?
    Just curious.
     
  10. rob lay

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    i took it he was talking about Ferrari.
     
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  11. TTR

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    I know, but proper comprehension of context can make a difference, especially in politically motived comments.
     
  12. 308 Grigio

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    This document is a non-disclosure agreement that among other things, seeks to protect the membership list data. But it also includes any information about the club and it’s governance, practices, written and non-written communications etc that would be available to chapter presidents. It is a TEN YEAR agreement with a warning of legal action if it is determined a violation has taken place. It seems overly broad in its scope and vague in definition. It also seems like a very long time to be held responsible for data security for a not for profit car club. Heck, I’m probably violating the rules by even posting this! It will cost me around $1,000.00 to have my attorney review this document. Membership information security is important to me but I’m not sure that I am willing to sign a ten year agreement with such broad definitions.


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  13. rob lay

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    well, I'm sure our member data has been abused quite a bit. 20 years ago it didn't matter. now FCA is generating revenue by allowing access to its members, so they want to put an end to unauthorized use. I get it, file this under a couple of people ruined it for everyone.
     
  14. SCantera

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    When I was Naples Chapter President I made sure the limited members list I had was carefully guarded. Many reasons exist for the protection of the members. FCA National needs to be the conduit for providing lists when needed and safeguarding same. Including communications. Certainly there are going to be questions. I know the top guys well. Heck one of them is there because of me! I would trust them without question. Been there done that.
     
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  15. Rifledriver

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    Exactly.


    Maybe people ought to ignore the black helicopters a little and just take it at face value.
    If that is beyond their ability serving as an officer is totally voluntary.
     
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  16. Rifledriver

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    FNA really doesn't care. In fact, they rather not be involved. Its Spa and you are correct. Control freaks and not for the protection of the brand, just for its own sake. That and they really want to monetize everything but we fooled them. More than any other the FCA is more of an everymans club than is the norm globally and we really don't feel like buying $2000 official blazers to attend club events.
     
  17. Zamboniman308

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    Lol at the blazer. Insert favorite judge Smails photo here.
     
  18. SirTony76

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    Was this in response to what happened to the Minnesota chapter?
     
  19. 308 Grigio

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    The FCA says, and I tend to believe them, that they do not sell or share their membership list. I think that this NDA has much more to do with preventing members who have access to the list leaving and starting independent clubs or (Gasp!) starting a chapter of the Ferrari Owners Club. The FCA talks a lot about membership privacy and I think we can all agree that it is an important element of the FCA’s rules. However, I think they are using that cover to push for a legal contract with real legal consequences for a chapter president if they and only they decide that a breach has occurred. Keep in mind that the chapter only gets $35.00 of the annual membership fee for each of its members, the FCA keeps the rest. For the first time, I’m starting to question the relationship, financially and structurally to the FCA. I’ve owned my 308 for over 30 years but have not been a continuous FCA member for all of those years. I think the current FCA leadership has lost sight of why many of us are in this club. It’s about the cars and their history. It’s about the other owners and enthusiasts, the people. It’s about driving the cars and having fun. The politics and heavy handed legal tactics of the club’s upper management is starting to ruin this experience for me and many others.


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  20. kestrou

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    I'm fairly new to The Clan - just what are the benefits to an individual to joining FCA? - other than the Judge Smails jacket, or course!

    FYI - I'm in the middle of the cornfields, 120 miles from Chicago and the only Ferrari in my county - so "elbow rubbing at the local watering hole with other prancing ponies" isn't on the list.

    Kevin
     
  21. Rifledriver

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    And exactly what "politics and heavy handed legal tactics of the club’s upper management" are we talking about? I have been very involved in the FCA since the 80's. Assisted in nearly 20 annual meets and have not once felt or seen any negative aspect of "Politics" or "Heavy handed legal tactics" at the national level that effected membership in any way.
    In every case in my experience either of those that have had any negative effect on membership originated at a local level by dictatorial regional or chapter leaders. I am aware of in that period of a few events maybe not well handled but certainly not something that trickled down to membership level. Over a period that long it defies reason that any organization would not have a couple bumps in the road.

    Sounds like tin foil hat stuff to me.
     
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  22. Rifledriver

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    I will go on to say if political BS really bothers you do not get involved in any organizations hierarchy. None are devoid of it. It is contrary to human nature.
     
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  23. Rifledriver

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    One that no one is forced to take. Cannot agree to sign, no big deal. Stay a member and have fun. Let someone more amenable sign it.
     
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  24. Sunshine1

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    That’s what a car club should always be about…
     
  25. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    And as it applies to your experience does the national club not do that?
     

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