FChat Sponsor lists '63 250 GTO for sale...

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  1. of2worlds

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    Thanks for the detailed answer Marcel! I envy your organizational skills...
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  2. sparta49

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    They did briefly, I saw it the second it went up, wired a deposit immediately so they took it down I am awaiting details on where to send the transport company. :)
     
  3. Napolis

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  4. jakejagger

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    There was an interesting thread about this company on PH that got taken down. If you want more info DM or email. Won't post publicly as likely to be privately threatened by PDG. JJ.
     
  5. Ferrari_Michael

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    I'm sorry but this guy is offering cars he had NO rights to offer, cars that are NOT for sale, and using pictures of cars that are not the ones advertised.

    http://refined-marques.com/Ferrari-enzo/

    Please use this as an example, I know this (pictured) car, very well, I KNOW it NOT for sale, and yet he offers it for sale; Futhermore, he says it is the last produced, well this is again untrue, as we all know 400 Enzo is with Don Wallace, and not outside DK Engineering's barn, as the car pictured.

    Many thanks
    Mike James

    EDIT: The car has 4300kms, not 6 as listed.
     
  6. jakejagger

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    Oop, careful! With language that the website owners will be trying to track you down and threaten you. If they get in touch, make sure you post the conversation here - it'll be hilarious I guarantee it.
     
  7. bertrand59

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    And Cavallino N°45 June/July 1988 with photo
     
  8. Ventador

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    Attention Amed Al Bakry is a fraudster, no cars, no money, fake pics.
    Homebase?, cannes
     
  9. 4re Nut

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    Interesting first post, welcome to FChat. :)

    Are you a "buyer" that got burned?
     
  10. Ventador

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    This guy offering me a lot of cars, I's not possible to see all vehicles previusly.
    On further inquiries with him were only still talking about out.

    In the second phase we have contacted the owner of the pictured cars, and they didn't know
    this guy at all, and they were very surprised.

    Finally we have made our funny only about him, for us he is a loser, and that's it :)
     
  11. Ventador

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    yes i'm burned
     
  12. Ventador

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    L.c. Exotics
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    SO THIS IS WHAT KIND OF TREATMENT I GET FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF REFINED-MARQUES THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS MAN!!! THIS PICTURE WILL BE POSTED EVERYWHERE FROM AHMED AL BAKERY GOOD WAY TO SPEAK TO YOUR CLIENTS AND PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR YOU COWARD
     
  13. Ventador

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    Refined Marques I will leave this comment up here and if anyone would like to know the truth behind it feel free to ask... Vercetti worked as a rep for us in the U.S.A this was a text sent after weeks of frustration..
    19. Februar um 02:04

    L.c. Exotics you cant hide the truth i never treated anyone with disrespect i have never seen a businessman speak the way he does or called clients of mine on the phone and cussed them out cause you all think they dont have money. money or not be respectful I have many more messages i can send them all to you and so can rafel on how bad your guys are. He was goind to pay 34mill for the GTO you need to wash your mouths cause you all have no business ethics what so ever
    19. Februar um 02:27

    Refined Marques Ok this is something i didnt want to do because its only going to make you look inexperienced and well stupid.
    19. Februar um 02:32

    L.c. Exotics say whatever you want your a young kid that thinks they know everything cause you work for someone with cars good luck and you cant do anything
    19. Februar um 02:38

    Refined Marques you were a rep for us you worked like any of our other reps... requested document upon document for car after car for your "clients" you have worked for us for around 6-8 months id say, in this time you must have had every single car document you could have... The conditions were placed upon yourself agreed by myself and my partner Ahmed al Bakry that for every car you spoke of we would require proof of funds before even taking any interest.
    you had a "client" who wanted the 250gto i heard of this from you around 2months ago originally as his son was interested to the CLS Brabus, I believe this was a "client" you picked up at an ordinary car show, From that day you mentioned the 250 we have had you saying every week from then Im waiting on proof of funds, and guess what to everyone reading? No proof of funds, no nothing, Nothing at all ever came for every single document we sent we had the same promise, and nothing ever came, Now you have your most recent client that wanted the 250 gto apparently you say his grandfather is now the richest man in the world, To me why should i or anyone else believe this? and even if he was we placed the condition of proof of funds and it was never met.. Then as Ahmed speaks with you and the client and is at the end of his temper with all the messing around suddenly the "client" was ready to send the wire transfer. You really need to grow up the requests we have had have been unbelievable. Anyone who tells you anything you believe, Every week a new bizarre request... Im not going to make this a constant battle Vercetti, Take this as a learning curve and move on- The message you have copied and that you claim are going to copy all over and send to ferrari and lamborghini etc? where do you think that will get you, who do you actually know out of america? you think anyone is going to listen to a person like yourself who cant tell their arse from their elbow when it comes to cars.. the message shows that no matter who you are or how much money you have, we will not take your claim serious unless sufficient evidence is shown which in your case never was, Everyone is a billionaire if they say they are vercetti, Everyone can be who they want over facebook, And anyone with a fake Rolex can make their self look like they have money,,, But in reality if any of your clients had the money for the cars or were serious buyers they would be straight over to cannes to meet and see the cars and talk face to face... Now that is the last i want to hear of it, go do your own thing and try and damage our reputation as much as you can, But choose your moves carefully as we are a business and you are an individual that has to earn his living in the industry that we are very well positioned in... Its been emotional LOL
    19. Februar um 02:50
     
  14. 4re Nut

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    Sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing with the community...hopefully will help others avoid your pain.
     
  15. Ventador

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    Refined-Marques.com by Ahmed Al Bakry - Scumbag
    I'm a freelance car designer from Canada and have done several wheel designs and bodykit for various tuner companies over the years. In 2011, I designed and rendered a Ferrari 458 Italia GT Concept Kit (as seen by my first Ferrarichat.com post a year ago: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=343754) as a concept study and published it on my website (http://jmvdesign.ca/?cat=9) to showcase my designs and rendering abilities. This man Ahmed Al Bakry, claiming to represent some French car dealer and claiming to be an actual Ferrari 458 Italia owner approached me with these e-mails:

    First E-mail:

    John

    is it only exterior kit?
    or do you also tune the engine?

    can you please send he some picutres of hte exterior and interior to look
    at?

    thanks
    take care
    Ahmed AL-Bakry
    PDG / Chairman
    Star Electric Cars France LTD
    www.minihummer.fr
    aab@minihummer.fr
    Tel: +33.(0).6.78.14.62.90
    Fax: +33.(0).4.92.97.64.67


    Second E-mail:
    Dear Sir

    i am very much interested in the Ferrari 458 Italia GT that you have on your site in yellow colour.

    i would like ot ask about the price of the modification on an actual Ferrari 458 which could be sent to you to make it.
    how much does it cost?
    do you make an tuning to the engine?
    brankes?
    suspension?
    .... etc.

    do you also make hte interior?
    if yes can you please send me picutres. to see how does the interior looks like.
    i would like to have my car done in the same way. perfect job, super nice, your a genious and a sporty classy taste

    i would like to know the full price to make my Ferrari 458 like hte yellow one?

    waiting for your reply

    regards
    Ahmed AL-Bakry
    PDG / Chairman
    Star Electric Cars France LTD
    www.minihummer.fr
    aab@minihummer.fr
    Tel: +33.(0).6.78.14.62.90
    Fax: +33.(0).4.92.97.64.67

    I replied:

    > Ahmed,
    >
    > Unfortunately, the Ferrai 458 Italia GT Kit is still under development.
    > I'm still looking for a manufacturer and supplier who can build a
    > prototype/final product. I will let you know as soon as the project goes
    > forward and will accept orders. Thank you for your interest.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > John Mark Vicente
    > designer | http://jmvdesign.ca/ | 604.551.8267

    He then goes on to call me to really inquire about the bodykit design and how he was serious to make a deposit and connect me to a manufacturer in Europe who will build it for his car. But before that, he wanted to see the car in black. As I had numerous renders of this car already, I sent him a couple of black renderings to give him an idea. I kept optimistic and professional about the whole situation but then the whole "deal" he wanted to pursue was buried and forgotten in the last year.

    Fast forward to present day, I was tipped off by another Lamborghini owner that was familiar with my Ferrari kit and notified me that he saw it for sale on Ahmed's website refined-marques.com.

    http://refined-marques.com/Ferrari-458-italia/

    As I recall, I had no other contacts with this man and never gave him to use my images to showcase them on to his dealer website. All along I thought he was an actual 458 Italia owner just asking for a quote about my design.

    Now, on all of my renders published online, I have my signature information along with my e-mail and website address as a watermark identification to all my published designs. I noticed that Ahmed has cropped them out and placed them on his website for sale.

    On the black renderings I sent him a year ago. I found them with his website plastered on it now being advertised on his Refined-marques.com Facebook fanpage as seen here:

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...79145510_o.jpg
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...25934803_o.jpg

    I politely e-mailed him asking him to take down the images through his e-mail account (cal_h@hotmail.co.uk) and that I did not authorize him to use my images to be used for his business. After no response, I ****ted on his Facebook page and spammed how he had no authority to use my images and I gave him no permission to claim that the 458 Italia car with my bodykit design was for his to sell.

    He took off all my comments on his Facebook page and disabled his comment feature. He goes on to finally call me and I confronted him that we had no deal for him to try and sell my design nor gave him permission to have my images to be used for his business. After I continuously called him out on his unprofessional practice, he broke and resulted to badmouth me insinuating that:

    "I will be sorry"
    "To watch my back"
    "He will make ONE phone call to bury me"
    "Have his lawyers sue me"
    "Make me disappear"
    "To write him a letter of an apology (LOL)"
    "He will do something extremely drastic to hurt me"

    After I kept irritating him by asking him what exactly he is going to do over and over again, he hung up.

    Then he further goes on to harass me on further e-mails calling me:

    "a barking little dog"
    "you really are pathetic. best of luck.. if u watch uk tv be sure to see footage of the next autolegends show. prick"

    On the contrary, I'm not here to claim that I designed the 458 Italia but I did however spend a lot of time to conceptualize and render the actual 458 Italia GT Concept Kit images for my portfolio. I am also aware that when I upload my designs on the internet there will be people like Ahmed who will steal these designs and claim it for themselves. I can call them out no problem and it's not that big of a deal for me. It has happened before and have contacted these people and compromised peaceful resolutions. But when you have scumbags like Ahmed, personally calling me and making these death threats, it becomes serious matter.

    I do intend to work with the right, reputable, and honest manufacturer to make this concept into a realization one day. But when you have these scumbags trying to lure you to give them what they want and do something with it behind your back, like use your portfolio images and claim it that it's their design disregarding the credit to the original designer, they deserve to be exposed to show everyone about their malicious form of practice. Not to mention he is trying to sell a car that doesn't even exist.

    I did research him and his company and found out he has done the same to some members on here. After further a few google searches I eventually found out that he has scammed other people. I'd like to make this post and invite everyone else manipulated by this man to share their stories.
    Last edited by jmvdesign; 08-25-2012 at 02:22 AM.
     
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  17. of2worlds

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    No not 4713GT but instead the car is s/n *4385* when photographed with a light blue metallic paint color. The car was later repainted the original factory red color. The same car *4385* can be seen in the previous post #26 back on page 2 here. By then the car was back to red paint again.
     
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