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Featherlite 3110 open trailer + Prodigy brake controller

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  1. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

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    Was not sure to put this thread here or the racing forum. Am about to pull the trigger and get these. Found a relatively local dealer who has this setup new and is making me an ok (fair) deal. i KNOW my track can haul the weight (trailer + car is 4,400 lbs... the truck can handle towing 5,600).

    FYI: Car towing is 1985 308GTS weighing 2900, trailer is 8.6' by 17.5'


    Any advice is appreciated as i slide down the slippery slope of track rat.
     
  2. WaltP

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    Make sure the fender of the trailer that will be on the driver's side of the trailered car comes off so you can get in & out of the trailered car easier.
     
  3. pad

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    A tire rack makes life much easier. Nothing gets you more upset than blowing a tire and having your weekend shot. Obviously, this means having a spare set of wheels and tires. Welcome to the slippery sloop.
     
  4. WaltP

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    Also helpful to have a trailer spare tire and a jack that can lift the trailer with the car still on it.....I had a trailer flat in November it wasn't really a problem that I didn't have a jack because I didn't have a spare either.
     
  5. ferrarilou

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    Even though your setup is lightweight and the trailer is open, I would suggest you look into getting sway control for the hitch. It is pretty scarey when the trailer starts to wander after a lane change or after being passed by a 18-wheeler.

    Featherlite has a great reputation, so I would expect that it will have brakes on all four wheels (I'm assuming a dual-axle trailer). Remember to brake early with a trailer due to increased momentum. First time I trailered by car I skidded through a downhill intersection but luckily it was 4am so there was no traffic. Also, get a trailer that is low to the ground. I once borrowed an open equipment trailer meant for hauling heavy backhoes. Let's just say that it took a LOT of time and effort to get the Ferrari with its low spoiler up the ramps. I've seen others have trouble if the trailer is high since the ramps then have to be pretty long. I recommend you ask the seller to let you try loading the car before you buy.

    Tires: I always carry more than one spare tire. It seems that I blow at least one per trip and it is not easy to find a high quality trailer tire on the road. AAA and other roadside assistance refuse to help with a trailer, though I was recently told by Alstate that their roadside assistence program can provide such coverage at higher premium.

    Personally, I prefer (and own) an enclosed beavertail ... no need to protect anything from the elements, so it is easier to pack. But, that increases the initial costs and is more prone to being pushed around by the wind. On my next trailer I'm strongly considering moving up to a gooseneck setup so that the weight is distributed more forward on the pickup truck. Lots of people are happy with their open trailers, so I'm not trying to deter you.


    Lou
     
  6. WaltP

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    I like what Lou said about an enclosed trailer, if I were to do it again I think I'd go for an enclosed one. It would free up much needed garage space for me.
     
  7. enjoythemusic

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    Will do while they are also wiring the truck with the Prodigy brake unit.

    Yes they have a great rep, it is dual axle and braking on all... and yes on the braking early. i remember moving up here with the largest U-Haul and ALSO my Honda Del Sol on a flatbead behind it. It was exactly as U-Haul advertises, "An experience in moving." LOL

    Good advice though will probably get only one.


    The truck can't *really* handle that added weight of an enclosed, wish it could. And as you mentioned, the wind plays havoc and the 2005 ranger XLT truck is not powerful enough to deal with all that (even though it is the top-line 4L engine and 4.10 drive and has an added tranny cooler).

    As for ramp, the trailer is pretty low at 17-inchs and comes with 6ft ramps, 7ft are available. As for the front spoiler, i plan to make it easier to remove and will just bring with me some wood pieces to 'extend' the ramp a bit. i need these added wood pieces anyway to jack the car up as she is VERY low to the ground. The Euro front aero on the car has been modded with removable/replaceable Jab-Roc (same stuff as bottom plank on F1 cars) so scrapes to the lower lip is not a concern really. She is no garage queen :)


    WALTP: both tire well covers are removeable

    PAD: wil get tire rack as finances permit.


    FYI: link to see the unit/spec/etc is at http://www.fthr.com/trailers/model_gallery_template.cfm?modelid=26&cat=car&styleName=Bumper%20Pull&platformName=Standard%20Aluminum&lqcheck=Open%20Standard%20Aluminum
     
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    I thing I forgot. Get an electric winch. Makes loading and unloading easier. Also, there will come a time when you will not be able to drive the car up onto the trailer. At that moment, you will give anything for a winch.....
     
  9. enjoythemusic

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    (Said in good humor) Wench? i have a wench, she is my wife and how dare you call her that! i love her dearly!!! Oh, wait, you said winch. Oh, will ask and see what they cost. Can't i just launch the car off the ramps at 7k rpm in 1st gear and hope the car lands j-u-s-t----r-i-g-h-t- on the trailer ;)
     
  10. ctkellett

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    Pad, you beat me to it, go get the winch!!!!! It was the best $ I ever spent on a trailer item, You will never regret it, trust me. An other little piece of advice is to get the best AAA tow coverage you can buy, I think we have the AAA plus and it covers both the Tow vehicle and trailer for up to 100 miles, they once towed us (Truck,trailer and race car) from Baltimore to Phila, when the trans went south on us, with two trucks. I would upgrade your trucks brake pads to the best that you can get for towing, I like the Hawk HPF's but they are hard on rotors, with such a lite truck it will help you out a bit as your car is nearly as heavy as you tow vehicle. Adding a small box on the front of the trailer is nice, keeps the dirty stuff out of the truck. One other thing that I have done is ad reflectors to the front side of the trailers fenders so that I can see the outside edges of them @ night when I look in the rear view mirror, it helps when you are trying to squeeze the trailer into a small space late @ night at the track. Have fun.

    Chris Kellett
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  11. enjoythemusic

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    Thanks for all the GREAT advice... everyone! Will call them tomorrow about the winch and spare tire. While the truck has an added tranny cooler as standard, will see if there needs to be a bigger one and also check on the brakes, but as i understand it the Ford XLT has good brakes. Still, an ounce of prevention is worth... The guys at my local Ford service where i got the truck have been very helpful in the past with various mods. And yes, will add more reflectors for the unit as i believe most American drivers are, frankly, clueless and for them to be able to better see me (and me see it when parking) is an added benefit.

    PLEASE keep the suggestions coming as i plan to enjoy MANY 5+ hour drives to various tracks in 2006. It will also be nice to have tools with me and once i win the lotto (or gets more funds) i hope to get another set of 17-inch Kinesis rims so i could have a set of rims with wets and another set with dry tires.
     
  12. WaltP

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    The winch is a very good idea. My Explorer came pre-wired for the electric brakes, it was a simple as plugging in the module behind the glove box then mounting the unit where I could reach it. Took the guy at the shop all of 10 minutes to install it. I have single axel brakes on the trailer and have no problems stopping it.
     
  13. enjoythemusic

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    Alas, the Ford ranger XLT is not pre-wired, so it will take them about an hour or so. Yes, many verhicles have it all wired behind the dash and it is plug and play. My local shop is making me a deal, free Prodigy unit, i pay for labor ($60.hr).
     
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    That sounds like a good deal. Let us know how the towing and all works out.
     
  15. jknight

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    I pull a 30' Sooner horse trailer with living quarters with a 2500 HD DuraMax - I always have in whatever truck I drive pulling a trailer, a Jiffy Jack (drive good wheel onto it) - only way to go with tandem wheeled trailer. When we were horse trailer shopping we found that the Featherlite aluminum floor "oil-canned" compared to other brands.

    Carol
     
  16. enjoythemusic

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    Hmm, interesting. Maybe it is a horse thing??? Did lots of research and private e-mails to owners of the same unit i am looking to get. A few track rats have had theirs for years without problems. i ALMOST bought a used one for a few dollars less than what i am paying, and he had over 3 full seasons of use and it came with winch, yet to save a few dollars and get used versus new... So it seems the Featherlite holds a good value during resale (more so than a Maserati!).

    Virtually no one has had any real problems i am aware of and after reading other boards the Featherlite seems to have a great reputation. Because i need low weight and here in New Hampshire we have salt, ice, snow... aluminum is a HUGE plus.
     
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    Or a friend with an available trailer? :)

    BTW, there's nothing easy about trailering a car it's a WHOLE lot more work than driving one to the track. Just be ready for that. The enclosed is very nice but as you said you haven't capacity and a reasonably sized enclosed trailer adds some very serious towing issues not to be taken lightly.

    Get good mirrors. I tried the "supposed" best strap-ons (no jokes please) and they were horrible to use as well as a pain to put one. I ended up get a bigger set of permanent electrics on my Suburban now aptly named Dumbo.

    You're always going to need tools, supplies and things like a charger, air tank
    etc, so if the trailer doesn't have lockable storage for that stuff it's got to go in the truck.

    Get a load-leveling/anti-sway combination hitch. The stock stuff on the trailer and your truck is not enough.

    Here's the one I settled on. A lot of people like it but there are other good ones as well. Go on the RV/towing websites and you can learn a lot. I also have the prodigy.

    http://www.equalizerhitch.com

    Your dealer should be able to set it up for you properly with the car loaded.
    That's very important.


    BTW, where are you located?

    Bob S.
     
  18. enjoythemusic

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    Agree it makes life harder, but only 1 track is 'near' me (NHIS) and Watkins Glen is about 6 hours and Lime Rock is about 5 hours (each way). If i am going to do 20+ track days from the local to some over 6+ hours away, i had best be prepared. Also, the constant sound of the Fcar at 3k rpm on the highways gets annoying...

    i am located in middle/west New Hampshire. The dealer is http://www.altonmotorsports.com and have been very informative and friendly. Even answered my 'dumb newbie' questions nicely. They are going to mount a Superwinch S3500 on with its own battery box (will charge off of truck when connected) and we will decide once i am there where to mount the spare tire.

    Am i doing ok so far???
     
  19. WaltP

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    You're doing great, I should have asked way more than I did before I got my trailer, it would have me completely set up faster. If the winch has a corded remote you'll be able to walk along w/the car turning the wheel as needed. Don't know how useful that would be but I think I'd like it that way.
     
  20. enjoythemusic

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    Amen, have also been down some 'roads' and wish i had better planned things. Fortunately for guys like you and the other Fchatters this is going relatively smoothly. Was going to pick up the trailer tomorrow, but they are out of the S3500 wench so we scheduled for next Friday.



    Yes, it has a 30 ft or so remote. The gals and guys at the shop that i am getting the trailer from really know their stuff too. Am sure they have sold many setups over the years, so for them it is biz as usual.
     
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    Just a note. I have an old Superwinch and probably will have to replace it someday so I've been asking people at the track that have those ones you see on Harborfreight. The last guy I spoke to loved it. They are cheaper and his was a lot beefier than mine. But, I suppose repair parts will be impossible.
    I was able to get repair parts for Superwinch 2 years ago and mine is 10 years old.
     
  22. enjoythemusic

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    i debated that as the Harbor Freight ones are only $200 or so... but then i would need things like wires, battery box, battery isolator, hooking it all up, and as you mention the warranty and where to get parts 8 years from now. The place i am getting the Featherlite is doing the Superwinch too, hooking it all up, battery and all wires included, they will handle any warranty claim, and as you said, even an 8 year old unit is fixable with parts available.

    i LOVE to save $$$, trust me... but there are also things where i fear saving a few $$$ can cause a headache. Besides, the price diff between Harbor and a Super is not much once all things were accounted for.

    Don't get me wrong, i LOVE a great deal... but at what costs? i buy HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS of stuff from Harbor Freight and some of their stuff is downright a steal for the $$$. But much of what i get from them is also kinda 'disposable' and/or not 'mission critical.' Agree Harbor Freight has many awesome things, though i prefer having everything on the trailer done by one very reputable dealer as if i have a problem in the future they will surely be there for me (or Featherlite/Superwinch that have been around for a long time and with a known reputation).

    But year, i saw the HF prices and units and was like WTF when they told me the price of the Superwinch. Then when i realized i needed other things to make a HF unit go, plus all the efforts i'd have to do for wiring it, etc., and i felt hey, they are wiring the brakes so it is easy to just run the power stuff for the Super too.

    Many thanks as i do appreciate the help and nice to know after 8 years i could still get parts.
     
  23. F40

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    Steve, I think you may want a bigger vehicle to tow with... The ranger isn't very long, and the trailer will be all over the place. Also, there won't be much power, even with the 4.0V6 and the lower gears. Your gas mileage will be horrible. Don't mean to be too negative, but good luck.
     
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    i thought about this, big time. Even called Ford and asked them. It seems i will be ok, but JUST. Still, good food for thought.
     
  25. pma1010

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    Steve:
    I did something similar with my track events. Couple of thoughts:

    I reversed the 308 on to the trailer for best weight distribution. Once you have the car on the trailer and the trailer is fairly level, you can roll the car to its final position. Some chocks are useful until you are ready to cinch the tie downs.

    I found the trailer was prone to "bounce" as the rear wheels navigated the junction between the ramps and the trailer body. This caused the ramps to "jump" out of their slots on a couple of occasions. Now the rear wheels were on the end of the trailer and the fronts on the ground... (my laughter from the local crews, an "oh s**t" from me). Solution was a couple of jacks on the end of the trailer to restrict it's up and down movement.

    Never unload downhill. Even a slight gradient. It's not funny running after a "runaway" car heading into someone else's vehicle and makes you look like a total d**k. Been there, done that. Obvious right? Yup, still did it.

    Check the gear ratios on the truck and try and get to a 1:1 ratio. I killed the trans in our Acura MDX and this is in the Midwest where the terrain is flat. If you need to go up and down hill, well, I guess there's prayer. And TP for the downhill.
    Good luck.
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