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Felipe Massa**Spoilers**

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  1. Remy Zero

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    First off, i'm not a Massa hater, or basher. i respect both Ferrari drivers, and their hard work and determination. i;m starting this thread just a few mins after the Malaysian GP race. all i can say is, i'm really really dissapointed in Massa.

    not to jump into conclusion, but the ITV commentators were speculating that something might have gone wrong, thats why he just lost it. they called the incident 'strange'. but according to the Ferrari telemetery, nothing was broken. so, what happened here? did he just lose it? but he's going thru that corner for about 30 laps, same gear, same torque, and suddenly he just looses it.

    MS commented that Massa's spin off in Aussie was because of he was in 'too low gear'. was it the same here?

    from what i see, i think its just some sorta brain fade from Massa. he was losing to Kimi, pushed a lil too hard, and lost it?

    i sincerely hope he bucks up, don't give up and give his best, like he always does.
     
  2. DMC308

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    I think he was doing really well, I wish i could of seen how far out he was in front of everyone behind him when he slid off.
    He drove really well in qualifying and during the race in my opinion. He just needs to get on par with Kimi and keep in mind he is the #2 driver.

    Really the only thing I was not happy about was the coverage, there was to much focus on Hamilton and Webber.

    Good run Kimi and RK.
     
  3. Remy Zero

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    i'm just frustrated when i made this thread. in fact i still am.
     
  4. Brakefade

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    I have the greatest respect for any person that can get a seat in F1, but this off was completely unnecessary. He was never going to catch Kimi. He should've stayed put and secured the 8 points. Felipe is a fast driver, but he is just too inconsistent. I'm betting as time goes on more of us are gonna be wishing Ferrari had gone after Alonso.
     
  5. Remy Zero

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    i would prefer Rosberg, or Vettel...
     
  6. MrF355

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    Race was shaping up as a Ferrari 1 and 2 which would have made up for Melbourne debacle and Massa appears to lose it. Did not look to me like any mechanical problem. As others have said he should have been satisfied with second place. There was no way he would have caught Kimi let alone pass him. Ferraru 1 and 2 would have massively helped in the constructors points and given Massa his first points for the year. He needs to remember that consistency pays off. Just look at Hamilton's record last year, he was Mr Consistency. Don't get me wrong, he has talent, no question on that but he is tactical, he knows being consistent will get there.
     
  7. DGS

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    On the face of it, losing eight points in a quest for two looks pretty stupid --- and losing those eight put BMW ahead of Ferrari. (Worse, Williams is only two points back.)

    But it was for a delta of four points ... within the team, and the difference between 10-9 vs 8-11.

    So just how significant -- in terms of pit strategy selection, etc -- is it, within Ferrari, for a driver to be ahead in points?


    But the message is looking pretty well written at this point: For those who said that Massa can't drive without traction control. I think qualifying proved that he *can* drive without TC

    ... just not for the entire race distance.

    There was a lot less difference in fuel levels than the Q3 times would have suggested. Massa is very quick on a flyer. But put him in the heat of battle, .... That's two for two he's uncorked the back end --- without catching it. (And now it's 0-11) (Time for some drifting lessons? :p)

    The worst part will be having to listen to two weeks of religious gloating from the bashers. ;)

    The lack of TC does seem to favor "the iceman".
     
  8. kraftwerk

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    I think it may turn out a big thread Brian...;)

    I don't dislike him, but he is not doing himself any favour's right now..:(
     
  9. PowerSlide

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    i blame massa for spoiling my weekend for a 1-2 finish :(
     
  10. Cozmic_Kid

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    Enough is enough.

    This is the same year after year. Massa waste everything in the first half of the season.

    Sack him and hire Alonso instead.
     
  11. canam350

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    i think its time ferrari called time on massa
    he is not consistiant enough to hold his place,
    bring the test driver in for 1 or 2 races schumacher
    and it might waken massa back up.
     
  12. Etcetera

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    Nice unforced error. Just kinda spun off with no one in front or behind him.

    From Pole to Zero.

    Trade him lol.
     
  13. rob lay

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    Massa is a big problem for Ferrari. He’s talented, but not a consistent finisher. He is competing more against Kimi than the other teams. Ferrari needs a #2 that thinks like a #2. That would be a Barrichello type driver, not a Massa, Hamilton, or Alonso. Besides going off trying to beat Kimi he also seemed too aggressive at the start moving over on Kimi.

    Only reason Ferrari won last year is Alonso was competing more against Lewis than Ferrari. Mercedes isn't making that mistake again this year, but since Ferrari is I think unlikely Ferrari will win the Constructor's, but maybe Kimi still has a chance at the Driver's.
     
  14. DAYTONASME

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    the time has come for change - Massa out, Marco Andretti "in"
     
  15. kraftwerk

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    Yes I did notice that..No need the downfall at MClaren last year.
    Quite possible, I think by the math as thing's as they are, Massa will be unofficially "told you are #2"
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    i just find it really strange how he lost it..
     
  17. Dimitar

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    I said it last week I will say it again---get rid of Masa. Bring someone that will bring points for the team. Kimi alone will not be enough against the two McLarens
     
  18. Remy Zero

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    The team said Massa had clouted the kerb on the exit of Turn 6, stalling the car's aerodynamics and meaning he had too much downforce on the front when he started to turn in. That meant the Brazilian lost the rear end of his car.
     
  19. DF1

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    Morose Massa pleads ignorance after spin
    Sunday 23rd March 2008

    Felipe Massa's spin in the Malaysian Grand Prix offers more ammunition to his detractors.


    The 27-year-old lost the back-end of his Ferrari whilst entering turn eight at Sepang, and instead of navigating the innocuous corner, ended up beached in the gravel.


    Massa's mistake will infuriate the Scuderia as the team looked set for a one-two finish with team-mate Kimi Raikkonen claiming an effortless victory.


    Reports from the garage suggest that the Prancing Horse's management put the incident down to driver error.


    Massa offered no explanation for the spin and told reporters: "I don't know what happened, I just lost the car completely when the rear came round suddenly."
     
  20. hycian

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    Well everyone makes mistakes and it's quite obvious this time it comes from Massa. I'm a bit sad as Ferrari were gunning for the perfect 1-2 finish after the disastrous Australian GP last week...

    I'm no Massa-hater but if he is trying to make excuse (blaming it all on the car) about the driver error I have little respect for him this time around.
     
  21. menoy

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    That makes it sound like it was the kerb's fault!! Geez... funny how it didn't foul up anyone else's aero :rolleyes:
     
  22. Jay GT4

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    It's clear that this spin would never have happened with TC. Martin Brundle said clearly it was driver error. This season we will see who has the goods! Unfortunately it looks like Massa does not...:(
     
  23. PhilNotHill

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    Speed was saying how much better the Fcars handled the curbs. Oooops!

    Apparently marriage is not working out so well on the track for Phil. He who makes the least mistakes wins. Not a good start for Phil. Looks like the only chance he has of overtaking Kimi this season is to get some of Stepney's white powder. LOL ;)
     
  24. DM18

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    Massa is proving to be a real negative for the Scuderia. Pole which he defends by running Kimi into the pit exit on the start. That was way over the line of acceptable. Kimi got a better start and all that Massa achieved was slowing them both down for everyone else. And then after getting soundly hammered by Kimi in the pre-pit stop laps that really mattered, Massa own-goals himself onto the beach by accelerating too hard out of T8 with no car pushing him and no car in sight to chase. Pure and simple driver error. I have done it many times in my 175hp Formula Renault. It just looks exactly like a bad amateur weekend driver losing touch with the back end. Absolutely unacceptable for any F1 driver let alone a pilota of a well-mannered Ferrari. Sorry Massa but you sucked
     
  25. SRT Mike

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    What can you say about Massa? I was sure that by this morning there would be a suspect analysis of the incident showing the *real* culprit was a cut tire, bad suspension part, etc. But it turns out he really did just lose it.

    In all seriousness, if you lose the race from pole with nobody behind you trying to overtake you, how can you feel you deserve a seat at Ferrari? If it was a one-time thing then OK, but it's not. It's a pattern.

    I think Massa is not all that confident in himself (rightly so) and overdrives his car, runs out of talent and screws up. They really ought to get rid of him right now, but I think if he screws up the next race also, he will almost certainly be on the axe list at the scuderia. The only other person who spun out was Bourdais, who was only on his 2nd F1 race ever. What does that say?
     

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