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  1. Wouter Melissen

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    Hello,

    When I saw this Le Mans class winning chassis back in 2002, it featured regular exhausts and aluminum mud flaps. At this August's Pebble Beach events it was present as well, but with a slightly altered appearance. It no longer had mud flaps and featured side exhausts just like Kroymans' 4757 GT. Does anyone know why these changes were carried out? IMO it looked better with the 2002 features.

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  2. SefacHotRodder

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    Probably to be "historically correct"
     
  3. Bryan

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    According to Bluemel / Pourret, 4293 GT was fitted with mudflaps for the 1963 Le Mans. So, to be correct "as it left the factory" would seem to be the reason for the changes.
     
  4. Wouter Melissen

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    In a 2000 Classic and Sportscar there was an advert for the (Bonhams /) Brooks Gstaad auction, where 4293 GT was offered. It showed a contemporary picture of the car, with the external features it has now. It did not say where that pic was taken though.
     
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  7. Wouter Melissen

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    Are you sure about the owner? At Pebble Beach it was entered by William E Connor.
     
  8. Fan512bbi

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    At the time of writing the owner was Patrick Ma, but the car may have changed hands since then, NNO will probably be able to give us more recent history.
     
  9. bigodino

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    hence the "WEC 2" reg. I suppose? I wish we could have cherished plates in Holland...
     
  10. Wouter Melissen

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    He has a connection with The Netherlands too, being the Conner in John Bosch' BarronConner racing team. I talked to him briefly at this year's Tour Auto; he seems to be a very nice guy.
     
  11. gtofreak

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    Sold March 2001 by Patrick Ma to Chip Connor in HK. Car stored in UK.
     
  12. P4Replica

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    Yes - just down the road from me, in fact, at The Light Car Company's premises in Stanford-in-the-Vale. I went there on 15th December, 2000, specifically to see 4293GT, the day before she was shipped out to Gstaad. The workshop owner, Chris Holley, kindly fired it up for me, and even let my wife sit behind the wheel (heaven forbid). Her face was a picture - but sadly he wouldn't allow me to take any photos. :(
     
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  13. gtofreak

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    BTW, Chip paid a cool $ 9 M. Today these cars sell for $ 12 M and up.
     
  14. P4Replica

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    From memory, the estimate for Gstaad 2000 was $10 Million (at somewhat less advantageous $ exchange rates than present).
     
  15. gtofreak

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    The car didn't sell at the Bonhams sale. It sold many weeks later privately, then owner Patrick Ma and buyer Chip Connor are neighbors!!
     
  16. P4Replica

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    Yes, I know that. Did I say, or imply that it did ?
     
  17. gtofreak

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    Of course not. I think there was a broker in between, a friend of Mr. Ma named Brandon Wang.
     
  18. Wouter Melissen

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    Connor has been buying up a lot of cars. He had a TR 59 at PB as well and participated in the Tour Auto with a Daytona. Quite an upgrade from the 911 RSR he used last year.
     
  19. SefacHotRodder

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    I heard the bonhams sale was fake. ie the car was never going to be sold
     
  20. Old Guy

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    Chip Conner paid a lot (!) for the TR, but it's the 1960 LeMans winner. Probably the highest price ever paid for a TR, although the recent sale of 0704 is in the same eight digit range.

    Most recent GTO sale is 3223, from Japan to the US, in the same price range by the time commissions were factored in.

    $9 million just doesn't buy much any more. :)
     
  21. P4Replica

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    which is what I was inferring when I wrote this:
     
  22. Wouter Melissen

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  24. PSk

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    Well the exhausts are back to the rear of the car, so obviously there are 2 exhaust systems that are easily changed for this car. As for the mud flaps ... well that is a shame.

    BTW: I thought there was only 1 GTO that finished 2nd at Le Mans overall ... which is why that one is always at the top of the GTO desired list. So there were actually 2 great Le Mans results!!
    Pete
     
  25. Forexpreneur

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    Nice pic. Fun spot :)
     

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