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  1. PAUL500

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    I had a quick google and there are LMs out there with both the single and double arm wiper arrangement.

    It seems odd that the car leaving Maranello still has the double arm set up, but the later photo in the first post has the simpler single arm.

    I guess this may have been a post factory mod and it was rectified by them after Marcels photo was taken in order to meet Classiche spec.
     
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  3. PSk

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    Looks like they left angle grinder marks in the tubing near the chassis plate.
     
  5. miurasv

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    250 LM #5845 sounds like a very original car. Even the short nose that was reinstalled on the car in the ownership of Jean Guikas before the 2008 RM sale is said to be an original one made by Scaglietti. As Marcel has clarified the car has been further refined since then.
     
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  8. Marcel Massini

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    I was personally involved in obtaining the last original period Scaglietti shortnose front clip for 5845. In 1980 Swiss collector Albert Obrist purchased directly from Carrozzeria Scaglietti in Modena the last remaining 250 LM front clip. That piece later went from Obrist to Robert Fehlmann in Switzerland, I sold it from Fehlmann to Jean Guikas/GTC Sarl. in Marseille. That was in October 2002.

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  9. miurasv

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    Thank you for the confirmation, Maestro Marcel!!!
     
  10. Christian.Fr

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    The second picture is too dark, actually I can see 5/6 but 10...
     
  11. miurasv

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    Do bear in mind that although the current nose is an original Scaglietti short nose as Marcel has confirmed, it is not the one on the car pictured in 1965, so there may be differences due to the hand beaten nature of the panels.
     
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  13. El Wayne

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    Even the short nose shown in the 1965 image was not original to this car, but the result of a factory repair/replacement performed in September 1964. Also keep in mind that the same nose can have a different appearance depending on the viewing angle. For comparison: 1964, 1965, and present...

    Original nose, June 1964:

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  14. PSk

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    1964 and 65 noses look the same to me and current nose is very very close.
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  15. nschots

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    Some more photos from today. It won the best of show, of course.

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    Mother of god.
     
  17. PSk

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    Actually now I can see very minor differences, ie. shape of side light frame, closeness of the side light to the head light. Also inside the head light was painted silver ...

    But she is a good example of a 250LM
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  18. Marcel Massini

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    That front ends reminds me of the cars in the Pixar movie Cars......
     
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  20. Marcel Massini

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    In 1989 #5845 was still owned by Hisashi Okada, a Japanese businessman who drove it in NYC.

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    Woody Allen driving...
     
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  22. nschots

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    What a great photo Marcel.
    How did they do to make the cover light remain without falling?
    It's a weird modification.
    Anyway, the car today looks incredible, very restored and AFAIK, very original.

    Nicolás.
     
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  24. miurasv

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    Might you have added that extra wiper for your own road use, Ed? 5909 is pictured with only one wiper at the Nurburgring, LM and Reims in 1964 with only one wiper.
     
  25. Marcel Massini

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    LM's came with a single wiper only when new, with the exception of the special street version chassis #6025 by Pininfarina (which had two wipers).

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    Thanks. Was just reading some good history on 5909 in your excellent Ferrari 250LM book.
     
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    Here is 5909 post-restoration by Carrozzeria Fantuzzi of Modena, at the Nürburgring 1981, also on the cover of my book published in 1982. Owner at the time was Swiss collector Albert Obrist. It's only 35 years since then.....

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    Ahh, yes. I can see on the inside of the cover now that it says the cover picture is of LM 5909. Your book is a must for any Ferrari 250LM lover.
     

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