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  1. jan jacob

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    #1 jan jacob, Nov 12, 2013
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    Dear Ferrari friends,

    For my friend Jules Coenen from Belgium I am researching the history of 0334MM. Jules owned the car in the eighties. A part of the history until 1997 is available but from that year I have no information about the car.

    Who can help me with with data, text, photographs or news about the present owner ?

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  2. El Wayne

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    Nothing current, but here are some older photos that you may or may not already have:
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    #3 SteviePPS, Nov 12, 2013
    That Dutch registration seems to be valid still, ever since 21-09-1985. So still here or someone "forgot" to export the car.
     
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    #4 f308jack, Nov 12, 2013
    Hello Leo,

    I can't help you with a name, but according to info from Marcel Massini the car was in Germany a few years ago. Do a search for the chassis-number, I started a thread on it then.

    I am riding shotgun with Jules in the 2 photos taken at the Zolder track. The photo's were taken by his son with my camera, and quite a few of the other photos El Wayne posted are mine too.

    Lots of good memories of it!

    Give Jules my regards!

    Best,

    Jack.
     
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    #5 tongascrew, Nov 12, 2013
    Good stuff here. Thanks. A few things I can add is that the car went to Germany in 2007. At one point supposedly the car was found walled up in a factory in Switzerland and the man behind the wheel in one picture is Alfred Hopf owner 1956-1966. Motorosso has a spec sheet on 0234 MM. tongascrew
     
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    #6 275gtb6c, Nov 12, 2013
    Nose job?

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    #7 bigodino, Nov 12, 2013
    Hello Jack,

    What year was that? The very first Ferrari event I ever visited was at Zolder in 1987. The Vignale was there too but I have very few pictures of that event and none of the Vignale. I didn't expect so many Ferraris in one place and only had one film in my camera!

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    #9 275gtb6c, Nov 13, 2013
    Boudewijn,

    Beautiful, your (and Aardy, Wayne, Kare and others) knowledge, collection of photo's, art and prints is more than impressive, this is why I like F-chat!

    Ciao
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    #10 BIRA, Nov 13, 2013
    Agree with you Oscar, a la Cleopatra....the band around the nose was clearly thinner when raced early, then became a wider ( and uglier) surrounding later..and seem the nose is also protruding more, but might be just the picture angle.
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    #11 f308jack, Nov 13, 2013
    The car was indeed walled in in a corner in a factory in Switzerland. IIRC it came out of hiding in 1971.

    The event at Zolder was probably '84 or '85.

    The grille surround appears to not be the original. Easy to damage too, the car is very long in the nose.

    She was quite spectacular on the road, and once warmed up actually quite docile, yet very fast. The best thing though was firing it up from cold in the dark with the bonnet open: The MM engine spat back beautifully through those most gorgeous set of carbs!

    The side-chromes and bumpers should still be around, at different places.

    I haven't followed 0334MM after it went to JS, so have no idea what work was done after that. The only work carried out whilst with JC was a complete clutch overhaul. It burnt out that same weekend at Zolder, and I stood by the roadside at the track entrance with it for 2 hours while Jules fetched a trailer, what a claim to fame!

    Best,

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    #12 El Wayne, Nov 13, 2013
    I have the pics tagged as being from '84, which was probably based on a previous post of yours.
     
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    #16 jan jacob, Nov 13, 2013
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    Dear Friends,

    I am impressed by the information I have recieved after one day. Most photo's are familiar to me, but some are new. The last owner of the car was Dr. Eckhart Blum in Cologne. One of his employees informed me that the car was sold last year. That's all I know.
    Last images of the car are in Cavallino 1997 during a track day at the Nurbugring.
    The car has no bumpers, but I know where they are.

    I have also a personal Photo of Jules Coenen with the car in 1983.

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    #19 pgrootswagers, Nov 13, 2013
    reviewed my pictures better: some were taken at Zolder rest at Zandvoort.

    They were all taken in the period Mr. Smits owned the car.
     
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    #20 275gtb6c, Nov 13, 2013
    Nice pics, but are the pictures taken in the wet not taken at the circuit of Zolder?
    Ciao
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    Ps very nice car!

    Ah, that explains it....(just too late...)
     
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    #21 f308jack, Nov 13, 2013
    Side chromes and bumpers were omitted long before Jules Coenen owned the car.

    Wayne, thanks, Boudewijn confirmed for me with his photo of 1984 at the Zolder track.

    Although I researched the car prior to Jules Coenen buying it, I didn't know that the volours were gold metallic with a black roof originally. Are there any photos of it in that colour scheme?

    The photo of Jules Coenen with the car was taken in front of the house where I lived then, next to the factory-building that housed his collection. As a comparison, there was also a 300SL, which IMO was a real truck in comparison to the MM.

    Best,

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    #22 El Wayne, Nov 13, 2013
    Jack, the Michelotti design drawings (1953) and Liege-Rome-Liege photos (1954) clearly show a white (or light-colored) roof. The black roof doesn't appear here until the Monteverdi photo from 1956. By that time, the grille surround had also been swapped out for the thicker surround that remains on the car today.
     
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    #23 f308jack, Nov 13, 2013
    Thanks for that observation.

    I may get flamed for it, but this is to me one of the (few) cars that looks better with some of the chrome left off, and the current colour suiys it well too.

    Best,

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    #24 jan jacob, Jan 29, 2014
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    Dear Friends,

    i found a new photo of ferrari 0334. It's the first owner Karl lanz. TheCar has the first plate : BE 6102 0r 4102 , Karl lanz lived in bern.
    The car is not metallic gold with a black roof, as mentioned in the Massini book.

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    #25 Sire Bruno de Losckley, Jan 30, 2014
    23-aoû-1954 Liege Rome Liege
    29em Karl Lanz/Sagesser 250 MM n°12 0334MM plaque: BE 4102

    Oups'
    i'm sorry, I did not see the first post on the first page.
     
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