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  1. omd78

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  2. Albert-LP

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    #13027 Albert-LP, Aug 17, 2019
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    Giuseppe Montorsi - former Ferrari and Bugatti test driver - this morning, showing the picture with him testing 288 GTO with VIN 57322 on December 11, 1985

    Picture Copyright: me (and Jean Francois Marchet for the 288 GTO 57322 picture)

    ciao

    P.S.
    I apologize for the delay, but I had to wait for this morning scheduled meeting.

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    Great work there Alberto, thank you for your very fine Ferrari efforts!!!
     
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  4. amenasce

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    What was wrong with this one?
     

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  5. Marcel Massini

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    You may want to double check that chassis number..........(no even # for a 288 GTO, please!).

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    #13031 Albert-LP, Aug 17, 2019
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    You are right: 57233, sorry.

    This is correct, as Antonio Tomaini wrote it

    ciao

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  7. Albert-LP

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    Thank you very much for the appreciation: the correct VIN is 57233. I did a typo.

    ciao
     
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    57233 was sold the first time in Italy, to MTA group CEO and owner Umberto Falchetti. The fun thing is that until some years ago he had a procution plant aside my home. I think he sold the car years ago.

    I'm sure Marcel will write soon how many times it has been sold, who owns it and so on.

    I'm just a mr. Montorsi friend, not a 288 GTO broker


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  9. Marcel Massini

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    You may want to check your files again.
    Falchetti was only the 4th (fourth) owner of 57233. Not the first or original one. The Certificate of Origin for 57233 was issued 27 May 1985. Sold and delivered new 30 May 1985 to C. in Perugia, Italy. Later resold to Mr. E. in Padova, later to B. near Padova, and thereafter to Falchetti in Codogno (near Milan), in May 1989.

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    Thank you very much Marcel. It looks you spent a lot of money buying files from Italian Motorizzazione Civile. I think such a file costs 40 euro each and everyone can buy it. Maybe they are very useful for your work.

    In any case thank you very much for sharing.

    Ciao.
     
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    Factory frame VIN number stamped over with XXXXX hurts the provenance.
     
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    From the description on RM Sothebys webside.
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    I’m surprised it brought as much as it did all things considered.
     
  14. bernardo66

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    Couldn’t the original numbers be re-stamped during the course of a Classiche certification?
     
  15. mechaniker

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    Sure. A friend of mine just had his Ferrari (no GTO) at Classiche to redo the plate with the stamping. But i think, they want to do more than just that.

    My friend is restoring the complete car, so Classiche had enough „motivation“.
     
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    Reality.
     
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    #13042 Terra, Aug 25, 2019
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    Respectfully disagree.

    The fact all 17 digits of the VIN stamping on the frame each have an 'X' overstamp is but a mere relic/remnant of what happened to many non-Japanese cars which were sold new in Japan during those times. In fact, it's still very easy to see/discern all 17 of the original VIN digits under each 'X.'

    Just for the record, both the chassis plate in the engine compartment, and the plastic steering column pad still retain all 17 of their respective original VIN characters in unmolested fashion.

    The third photo below is of the Serial No. assigned by the Japanese government after the car arrived to Japan back in the day.
     

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  18. m5shiv

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    I don't see how it hurts the provenance. It actually defines the provenance.
     
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  19. Marcel Massini

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    All wonderful, thank you for perfect documenting this but I would NOT want a car with such alterations. But that's just me, of course.
    Such modifications mean that one will ALWAYS have to explain, which is something I don't like.
    My 0.2 cents only.

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  20. Marcel Massini

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    The Department of Motor Vehicles in the country I live in (Switzerland) would categorically refuse to register such a car (with xxxxxxx overstamping). No license plates = no drive.
    Even the importation of such a car into Switzerland would already be a major issue or impossible.

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    Well there a lot of countries without this problem Marcel.
     
  22. Rossocorsa1

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    Maybe I’ve missed something. How did such a thing happen and why?
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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    Japanese authorities simply don't/didn't accept international foreign (17-digit) VIN's and wanted their own identification/numbering system. That's why they began stamping their own numbers into foreign cars once they were imported into Japan. Thereby ruining the history of many Ferraris and other valuable vehicles. Lots of Testarossas from Europe in Japan, with xxx-ed out chassis numbers.

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  24. mechaniker

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    A friend of mine owned a BB which was one time in Japan. They even xxx-ed the engine number....
     
  25. Rossocorsa1

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    Thanks for the explanation. Incredible.
     

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