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FERRARI 288 GTO

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  1. JackCongo

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    Wow. That is quite exceptional!
     
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  4. Marcel Massini

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    In January 2017 the car had 3'454 kms more than today.
    I seem to remember that we have been thru this before already?

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  5. msn

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    When I inspected this car, it was rejected because the owner would not allow yourself Marcel to do a report.. so we walked away...
     
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  6. msn

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    What I am surprised about is how a Ferrari Main Agent can offer a car with a mileage discrepancy.. it's not as though 5 km is high mileage, not super low but a nice mileage on a car.
     
  7. amenasce

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    Wonder what the dealer would say if confronted?
     
  8. joe sackey

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    Official Ferrari dealers want to focus on selling new cars, older Supercars such as the 288 GTO aren't easy to sell especially by the uninitiated, and they neither have the time nor the experience to do so, bear in mind that they have people working there who in many cases weren't even born when the GTO was launched.

    Known as another 288 GTO with questionable mileage as discussed here a year ago https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148936322/ & https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148936437/

    When you inspected the car, a number of items you can easily see would have made it apparent that the displayed mileage was questionable, I'm sure you know what those are.

    Don't be surprised, if the optimistic pricing of their F50 and this car are anything to go by, they'll apparently give anything a try, as regards the mileage, in 7 years a car can travel a lot of miles so who knows what the actual miles are?

    If the car is consigned then they may be unaware of any mileage discrepancy, not that this really changes anything.
     
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    New video from Curated featuring 57459 in NY and 57725 at Graber Sportgarage AG in Bern, Switzerland

     
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  10. msn

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    What a wonderful journey, what is interesting all they are interested in is Mileage and being totally original.. no restoration even if its back to original spec, it can only be original once.. That's why they command all the money and more..
     
  11. Marcel Massini

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    FWIW Graber Sportgarage AG is not in Bern, Switzerland.
    It is 10 miles away in Münsingen and the HQ is in Toffen, Switzerland.

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  12. Marcel Massini

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    #14887 Marcel Massini, May 18, 2024
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    57725 and video in post #14885:
    This 288 sold new 15 July 1985 to J. F. S. in Virginia, MN/USA.
    Beverly Hills Sports Cars advertised it in the Los Angeles Times on 28 Sptember 1986 and stated 1'200 miles (approx. 1'920 kilometers).
    First FML ad below from 23 January 1988 lists 57725 with 2'000 kms (not miles).
    Second FML ad below from 29 April 1989 lists 57725 with 2'000+ miles (not kilometers) .........

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    #14890 jtremlett, May 18, 2024
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    I'm not sure whether you're inferring anything or not. I think anyone needs to be quite careful with advert listings where the units on the odometer are not those generally in use in the country the car is being listed in. It is very common for listings in the US or UK to say 'miles' when they mean kilometres for vehicles where the odometer is in kilometres. Also, if the listing says 'Mileage' the number might still be in kilometres! But then, who would believe the numbers in a sales advert anyway?

    Edited to add: You can assume the 1988 listing represents the actual odometer reading at that time since it explicitly states 'kms' in a market (the US) where miles is the norm. The 1989 ad says miles but might just as easily mean kilometres.
     
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    I am not. Like any other business they are as informed or as honest as they want to be or try to be. A factory franchise agreement does not enter into it.
     
  17. Marcel Massini

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    #14892 Marcel Massini, May 18, 2024
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    I infer nothing.
    I just supply additional information.
    I am also not saying statements in the ads are correct or incorrect.
    One has to keep in mind that all this happened approx. 36 years ago.
    The January 1988 ad is by fchatter Mike Sheehan of European Auto Sales and he states car is in his shop (which was in Costa Mesa/CA). Having first met him about 45 or more years ago I am sure he knows the difference between kilometers and miles.
    (Generally: In the past some owners just replaced the face of the odometer, others have completely replaced the entire unit. This has been discussed here a while ago already, with Joe Sackey supplying wonderful photos of the various instruments).
    BTW not too long ago I personally inspected the car in question, which I have known since 2007. It had come from an Austrian to a Swiss (who kept it for 17 years). It was sold in January 2024 to two Swiss-based investors. At one time the front bumper was repainted from matte black to red and then later back to matte black again.
    Below pic taken 8 May 2019. Showing 1'605 kms or 997 miles.

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    Doesn't the plate EE110AK correspond to chassis 57475, the original Ed Wettach car?
     
  20. Birel

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    Is there a 57459 288 chassis number?
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    EE 110 AK corresponds to 57495.

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  22. Marcel Massini

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    No.

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  24. Birel

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    Thank you on both clarifications.
     
  25. joe sackey

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    Paul we've gone over this many times in this thread, any Ferrari which has received a post-production modification involving the drilling of holes into the bodywork in order to affix 4 rectangular USA DOT side-markers is not "totally original" by any stretch, and, in the USA at least, any Ferrari that has had it's speedometer replaced now has a mileage that is known as TMU (true mileage unknown) unless the original speedometer and mileage documentation accompanies the car. Totally original is a loosely used term which apparently means different things to different people even though by definition it isn't subjective. With regards to "original spec", as it relates to 57495, the aforementioned can all be corrected, and I've advised the current connections to do so.

    Speaking of EE 110 AK, we have sold EE 109 AK to a Ferrari VIP collector, a stunning example, note both front & rear EE plates affixed, just like the Lauda GTO.

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