Ferrari 296 v McLaren 750S v Huracan Perf v 911 Turbo: DRAG RACE

I owned a Huracan LP 610-4. It was slow and boring and I didn’t fit in it (I’m only 5’ 10”). I ended twin turboing it and it was no longer slow (1250whp), but I still found it boring. At the time I also owned a F8, and was driving it more often than the Lambo. I think the Tecnica is probably the best Huracan to date, but I still find them slow and I also don’t think the V-10 sounds that good. It’s all completely subjective, of course.

 

I drove it!

I’ve been swamped today and have to be up early tomorrow so I’ll just give a quick post and update later.

no issues getting in or out of the car at all. I’m 6’0, 182.5 to be specific and to be even more specific I have an ape index of +3 lol. The car had the sport seats which are not height adjustable but sit low.

I enjoyed the drive, but I will say the lateral visibility is poor, at best. You do also feel far away from the nose of the car even though you are not (maybe that’s just me).

Exhaust note was great, steering was good (rwd steering), and on strada aka comfort mode it was surprisingly quiet inside of the cabin and soft on the road. That changed in sport mode of course. Overall, I like the car but I want to drive the 720 and 488 still.

Sorry for the grammar and not super in depth post. Going to bed now boys!

 

I'm a Ferrari guy (I own 4), but the guy in the McLaren as a driver is a moron. A stock 720@ will turn 9.90s all day (check out "Dragtimes"). I can't believe the Ferrari 296 is a sub-9.90 drag car.

 

The STO is the street car made to track, not the Technica. Even still, I had to put a VF Engineering supercharger on it to get it to be competitive with the 765 and 296.

SF90 was too heavy on track. I hope the XX version helps but I’m skeptical. Comfort seats and non Assetto Fiorano package makes it a very fast cruiser.

296 brakes and accelerates better than the Pista. Comparable in a different way to 765. Both coupes (296 and 765) are kept at the track. I also have both spider versions as favorite sporting street cars.

The Turbo S track references? The GT3 and GT3RS are the track weapons. I’m partial to the 997.1 and 997.2 manuals, but the new Manthey manual GT3 I’m looking forward to tracking this month.

 

you’re a savage!

 

Every tarmac surface is different. This runway has rather poor traction, so don't expect the same numbers as in prepped surfaces. The 296 is very quick indeed!

 

All these cars you speak of would be a blast to track, but I gave up tracking street cars. Admittedly I’ve tracked my three a bit (458 spider, STO and F8). You’re right, STO needs a blower, but I’d get a Super Trofeo first.

GT3 and RS version lay power down well, I’d rather have the 458 Challenge.

Was looking at the 991.2 Manthey, ended up purchasing a 2023 992. Awaiting delivery, should see it end of this month.

 

I also have a 355CH manual conversion, 360CH manual conversion, 458CH, 488 GT Modificata, two Lambo GT3s, and four supercar racecars: Essenza SCV12, Senna GTR, Huayra R and an FXX. So yeah, racecars are better. This was just comparing the street cars mentioned in the thread. Drag racing them seemed less important than turning and stopping characteristics visible best on track.

Oh and I have Rubens’ 2000 V10 F1 in which he claimed his first win.

 

Incredible. A world class collection. Assembled with as much class, knowledge, and passion as money.

 

Holy Moley, with that collection I hope you have some seriously great tracks to run. Was at Sebring this past weekend with David Murry, some decent toys on track. I like the Lambo GT3s a lot, they pull hard. And of course I’ll always be a big Ferrari fanatic.

I’ll have to content myself with the 992 Cup, at least for now. Happy to be adding it to my modest collection.

Enjoy your cars!

 

You realize the Dragtimes guy is usually at a prepped actual dragstrip, right? In a warm location with basically perfect conditions. Carwow is filming on an airstrip with minimal traction, in England.....in the winter.

Conditions can make for huge differences in quarter mile times.

 

Are we just going to gloss over the fact it was freezing outside and the Ferrari was on Bridgestones?

Also Motor trend does use a track for their numbers but they use a non prep surface portion of the track running in the opposite direction.

Carwow numbers are exceptionally bad because the asphalt conditions are worse than many nice public roads.

Drag times does do testing on nonprep surfaces and are considerably faster than carwow.

Heat up the tires and get it on public roads with decent asphalt you'll pull off a lot better numbers across the board.

Not as good as track but still faster

 

true but it does give more of a real world quality of their performance!

 

Dang, that's a stable!!! Important question: of all of the cars you own, which gives you the most smiles per mile?

 

I raced my friend's 750s in my 296gtb a few times at different speeds (launch, 60kmh, 80kmh, 100kmh). The gist of it is that we'd be equal or he'd jump slightly ahead at the start but by160kmh the 296 would start pulling hard and pass the 750 with ease every single time.

Still doesn't really matter, it's not what would make you choose one or the other, just fun to know.

 

Stock 296 has already gone 9.7 @ 150 on a unprepped surface.

 

FXX

 

If it's not too much of a trouble, I am sure all of us here would be thrilled to read what you have to say about this gem, sir. I cannot even begin to fathom how it feels like driving such a missile. I know I would be terrified, but I don't think I could even fit in the cockpit. Thank you in advance.

 

That is hard to believe with the extra weight. Where did you get this from?

 

The lap times between the two cars routinely show the SF90 being consistently faster, regardless of the course. You can accelerate out of the apex faster due to AWD.

 

How do you keep track of everything? I have a number of cars but nowhere near as many and it is a chore.

 

I dont know about that, I would would have to test myself. The 296 is just as fast in a straight-line, brakes very well and has less mass to manage. It doesn't make sense.

 

I drove them both back to back on Fiorano and I was faster in the SF90. So were all of the instructors. You accelerate harder out of the apex in the SF90 due to AWD. But they are close. Here are 3 tracks I could find that they were both tested on.

Another surprising thing is the heavy SF90 is actually faster than McLarens' fastest street-legal around a track, the Senna. It's an unbelievably fast car around a track.

296 GTB SF90
Fiorano 1:21.00 1:19.00
Vairano Pro 1:20.93 1:21.72
Zhejiang Circuit 1:31.51 1:30.27

Senna SF90
Mortefontaine 1:24.70 1:22.86

 

Those lap times were not done on the same day (i.e. weather, climate, temp, etc.), with the same tires (not just same brand and type, but the actual model year as tire companies make iterative improvements on the same brand of tire YoY), nor were they done with the same driver.

Not saying a race with the 296 v. SF90 v. Senna would have one winner over the other, but to use lap times, when all the lap times are less than 2 seconds apart, is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole when looking for the answer of "which car is fastest on [insert name of track]."

 

Right. Then we should probably dismiss all the Nurburgring records because they weren't done on the same day under the same conditions. Regardless of whether you agree or not, it's the best data we have, and that data leans towards the SF90 being the faster car.

Feel free to setup a track day where Randy Pobst drives all three cars on the same track/same day/same tires and then get back to us. Until then, I'll trust the data we have available.