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Ferrari 355 Brembo BBK 4 pot upgrade.. worth it..?

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  1. lemon355

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    #1 lemon355, Aug 21, 2023
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    Been thinking about upgrading the OEM brakes to a brembo BBK kit, and since I want to retain the OEM 18" wheels.. the only Brembo BBK kit that will fit is the 4 pot 332mm x32mm rotor.

    My mechanic tells me its not worth it as it only gives a 10% more stopping power and upsets the front rear balance of the braking and interferes with the ABS.

    He also says the OEM parts are lighter and you dont even break even as regards weight savings..

    Here is some data I have complied that may help those contemplating the upgrade

    FRONT REAR
    355
    310 x 28 300 x 24
    355CH 355 x 32 355 x 32
    360 330 x 28 330 x 28
    360CH 355 x 32 330 x 28
    Brembo 332 x 32 332 x 28

    OEM F355(drilled rotor weights)
    Fronts =17.4 lbs (7.9 kg)
    Rears = 16.4 lbs. (7.45 kg)

    OEM F355(Brake Caliper weights (Bare) )
    Fronts = ??
    Rear = 7lbs (3.2kg)

    Brembo BBK FRONT 332x32
    Rotor(Disc, Bell and hardware)- 17 lbs(7.2kg)
    Caliper(no pad and hardware) - 10 lbs(4.5kg)

    Brembo BBK REAR 332x 28
    Rotor(Disc, Bell and hardware)- ????
    Caliper(no pad and hardware) - ????


    Can anyone fill in the missing data for the Brembo rear Rotors calipers.. ?
    Are the rears in fact 28mm compared to the fronts ( 32mm) and are the calipers used front to back the same with the BBK 4 pot 332mm kit..?

    Anyone else has taken the plunge on the 4 pot Brembo BBK kit and was it worth it in terms of weight savings.. braking performance..?




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  2. Ferrarium

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    They look great, driving on the street tooling around town, will you notice it significantly, I doubt it. Will you notice "something", probably. Will it be worse, probably not unless someone selects the wrong calipers. Is it worth the cost, depends on the person. I have done BBK's in other cars. Outside looks was a bit of a waste. Good luck with your decision, and remember if you like it, its not a waste. Who cares what others think.
     
  3. Targatime

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    The performance benefit of bigger brakes is greater capacity for heat absorption and heat transfer so you can drive the car harder and longer before you boil the brake fluid, which introduces air in the system, and get pedal fade. It's fine to get bigger brakes because they look cool. But they will have zero meaningful effect on the performance of a street-driven car. None.
     
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    #4 lemon355, Aug 21, 2023
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    Bigger rotors only help heat transfer .. Yes I agree..

    However the BBK kit also comes with bigger calipers as well.. with bigger piston sizes/ pad area as well compared to OEM.

    Isnt that what the brake upgrade in later models was all about..?

    F355 caliper Piston sizes 40/36mm (OEM)
    F40 caliper Piston sizes 44/38mm
    F50 caliper Piston sizes 44/40mm

    Surely the bigger "bite" will help improve braking.. Yes..? No..?
     
  5. Ferrarium

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    Larger rotor also gives greater distance between the outer edge and the center of the disc which in theory gives greater leverage to stop with the same force applied. Again you driving around town doing errands will you be like "WHOLY CRAP THIS HAS TRANSFORMED THE CAR", not really. If your doing track days will you notice, probably yes.

    Look if you want it get it, it won't perform worse and it will look better. :)
     
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  6. lemon355

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    Ok.. So lets look at this another way..

    As regards the OEM caliper/rotor system..
    Is there any magic trick/ pad compound or secret stuff that will help me get the most out of my OEM setup, thus negating the need for an expensive BBK upgrade..?

    These guys seem to have pulled off a big win with a simple pad change on the 360..
    Incredible 'Carbon' Brake Upgrade For My Ferrari 360 - YouTube

    Your thoughts..?
     
  7. Ferrarium

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    SS brake lines are a huge improvement then using a good pad like Ferodo or Hawk. There are a few brake pad threads out here.
    I installed SS lines on all 4 corners, installed Feroro DS pads, used Motul 600 fluid. Put new rotors on since the old ones had some light grooving. The brakes are a completely different animal than they were before.
     
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  8. Targatime

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    Yeah, agree w/ the above. Pad selection has a huge effect on "bite." Track pads have much less bite than street pads in this regard, as track pads are designed to operate at much higher brake temps than street and only develop their feel when hot.
     
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  9. fboutlaw

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    Stoptech makes kits that work on the F355 under stock wheels. Don't have all the images readily available. It's a very close fitment but does work with 1/4oz wheel weights.

    They do work with the ABS system without issue.

    DM if you have questions. It's a huge upgrade for the car. I do track the car occasionally, but it's just better feel everywhere and higher capacity for everything.
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    Always wondered how much of that feel is the SS lines and better pads vs the rest of a kit. Love the StopTechs btw. If I was putting one on it would the the stop techs.
     
  11. bobzdar

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    I went to Hawk black pads and they provide a noticeable increase in stopping power vs. stock. I went with black pads as they are easy on rotors, but they do generate quite a bit of dust. I'm not wanting for more brakes on the street tbh. Last time I went to the track the car caught on fire before I could test out if they fixed the fade issue, so tbd on that, but for the street I don't think you need any more brake.

    I have a set of f50 calipers and challenge rotors with custom rear hats for the ebrake waiting to go on the car, but I'll probably wait until winter to tackle those.
     
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    I went with Fiorano Handling Pack specific Pagid 4-2-1 yellow pads. Known to produce minimal noise and brake dust. These are discontinued for the most part… probably due to having asbestos, which is supposedly bad for health, but very effective for braking :).

    I have a few other pads from Project Mu and other brands I had in mind if I am unsatisfied with these. Excessive dusting and squealing is a no-no for me on a street car. My guess is these FHP Pagid pads do the job, but we’ll have to wait and see.
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    Btw. 6 piston Brembo fronts work with OE wheels no problem. Lots of info in the Brembo thread I already started :).

     
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    Man..! That TDF Blue Berlinetta is sexy as..

    I had no idea the 6 pot Brembos could fit under the OEM wheels.. now its a different ballgame!
    Shineken.. Do you know what rotors he has in conjunction with the 6 pot fronts. ( 332m x 32mm) or 355mm.. ?

    From my re search 355mm dont fit under the OEM 18" wheel..but the 332x32mm do..

    Also I can't tell from the video but do the 6 pot Brembos fit under the rear as well to make a 6 pot matching set all round or can we only go 4 pot in the rear..?
     
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    Whoever chose the soundtrack for this video (frantic repetitive cello) should have to spend a long weekend in jail to ponder his transgressions
     
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    355.
     
  18. lemon355

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    Ok cool.. so

    FRONT: 6 pot brembo with 355mm rotors.

    Now the all important question..

    Does brembo make a 6 pot 355mm rotor that incorporates the E brake for the rear..?
     
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    Not offered by Brembo, but someone in Japan offered a front and rear Brembo 6 pot custom kit.
     
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    Oh I see.. thanks ShineKen

    Who is the manufacturer in japan that makes the front and rear Brembo 6 pot custom kit..?

    This is designed to fit under the OEM 18" wheels I presume.. correct?
     
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    I took heat management a step further with Girodisc titanium brake pad shims.
     
  23. lemon355

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    Sigh :oops:

    Nothing is ever easy on these cars is it..?
     
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    You guys crack me up with the brake thing.
     
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  25. Finpat

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    Why not to consider drum to disc e-brake conversion using e.g. Wilwood mechanical kit? Looking even cooler when you have an extra caliber at rear.
    https://www.wilwood.com/calipers/caliperlist?subname=mc4 mechanical

    At the same token why not to go ceramic discs... ;)



    In real life, perhaps, 6-pot brakes with 355mm rotors are a tad overkill on these rather old and low weight and low power cars? As suggested above in this thread, proper pads and SS brake lines will improve brake feel quite a bit. Especially if system is properly bled.
     

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