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Ferrari 360 F1 not shifting in R or 2 and up

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  1. ItalienCar

    ItalienCar Karting

    Nov 12, 2016
    66
    California
    I have a 2002 360 F1 , with ~32k miles.
    Clutch life is a 63% (checked 150miles ago) and installed the CS TCU couple of months back.
    Couple of days ago I felt once the transmission not shift from 2 to 3 as quickly as usual followed by a shift to neutral. That was it.
    Today after a 20miles drive, parked the car. Next thing, it refuses to engage into reverse. Goes into first but nothing higher.
    I can hear it trying to engage into R, but it just stays in N.
    I checked the F1 fluid level and it is extremely low, doesn’t even register on the marker.
    Could a low fluid level prevent it from shifting ?
    Note I hear the pump activate when entering the car initially.


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  2. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2017
    259
    Finland
    Yes you said it, fluid level. Any ATF oi" will help you get out of trouble.
     
  3. BlacktopRacing

    BlacktopRacing Formula 3
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    Sep 18, 2016
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    Absolutely! Once you get it driveable, it is recommended you get it to a dealer or specialist for a proper fluid replacement.
     
  4. ItalienCar

    ItalienCar Karting

    Nov 12, 2016
    66
    California
    Thanks for input.
    What is the readily available F1 pump Oil I can put in this until I bring it in for replacement ?


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  5. Virulosity

    Virulosity Karting

    Jun 26, 2017
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    Rob
    You can use any ATF marked for "Dexron III". This is commonly available at walmart or any of the autoparts chains. If you brought the level down too low and sucked air into the system it now needs to be bled. You need a computer to do this (SD2, autoenginuity, Xdiag, Leonardo, etc.), if you don't have access to one you can take it to a ferrari shop and have them do it, shouldn't be too much. While you are there it might not be a bad idea to have your PIS set, this would be the next thing to check if the fluid doesn't solve your problem. Good luck!

    EDIT: Also, make sure you don't over fill the fluid! The dipstick on the cap is WRONG. Measure with a small ruler placing the edge of it flat with the shiny metal disc at the bottom of the reservoir. You should have 5mm of fluid level above the disc. A bit more is OK, touching the tip of the dipstick is way too much. Hope this helps.
     
  6. tmvatlanta

    tmvatlanta Formula Junior

    Mar 26, 2017
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    Covington GA
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    I assume too much fluid would cause problem too, correct? Beside having it spilled from the container.
    My 360 has more than 5mm of fluid from the bottom plate. It doesn't spill but the F1 like to kick back to N instead of up-shifting to 3rd. I'll suck some out and see if the shifting improve.
     
  7. ItalienCar

    ItalienCar Karting

    Nov 12, 2016
    66
    California
    I checked the reservoir level, and it was ~7mm from the base. So that sounds ok, as I didn’t realize that the dipstick was not an accurate level indicator....
    Seems like it is more than level issues... I also tried engaging in R from 1st gear, but all I hear is the clunking indicating that it is trying to shift and after 2 or 3 attempts it goes back to neutral....


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  8. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2017
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    Finland
    Can you change gears 1-2-3-4-5-6 and R while engine is shut off and only the ignition is turned on?
     
  9. ItalienCar

    ItalienCar Karting

    Nov 12, 2016
    66
    California
    I tried with engine off.I can only shift in 1st, nothing beyond that. It appears to be trying to shift to 2nd,but after a couple of attempts goes back down to N.


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  10. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2017
    259
    Finland
    Might be the infamous clutch throw out bearing. But by any means I'm not an expert! My car had quite similar issue than you except I could go trough the gears when engine was off. Many users here suggested throw out bearing but local specialist found a metal piece broken of from clutch and it had caused a havoc between clutch plate and flywheel.

    Anyway, maybe use search and take a look if symptoms match with bad bearing? Your clutch maybe OK with %, but if the bearing has gone bad then its best to change the clutch also. As in order to get to the bearing, the whole gearbox needs to be dropped out of the car.
     
  11. Skidkid

    Skidkid F1 Veteran
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    Aug 25, 2005
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    LOTS of possibilities. Position sensors come to mind. You need to get this onto a computer with someone who knows the system. Any other options is just wasting time.

    Dexron III is a very old standard. You don't see it that often any longer since they have to pay to use the name and it is so old of a standard. BUT all of the Dexron's are backward compatible so you can pretty much use any of them. NOTE: I wouldn't mix synthetics and non-synthetic but other than that you are good to go.
     
  12. ItalienCar

    ItalienCar Karting

    Nov 12, 2016
    66
    California
    Thanks all for input ...
    Planning on bringing it to the local Ferrari specialist next week. Hopefully he determine the root cause.



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