Hello Trev Well done I spent a long time figuring out how to flash your Ferrari 360 Ignition ECUs Bench! I have found this file at this time, maybe it will help you in your search for the Alfa ECU as a Ferrati replacement ECU. On pages 50 and 51 you will find interesting information about ECU's. It looks like you should only use ECU's with the numbers 253 and 254. I hope it helps you. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thank you for spending the time to post on the subject. I've had several technical helpers trying to identify a drop in replacement for the Ferrari 360 ecu's and so far its turned up a blank. We've flashed tonnes of 253 and 254 ecu's and they do accept the Ferrari flash no problem but they don't start the engine (even with Immo off applied). We've also been able to dump the EEPROM from a virgin Ferrari ecu but NOT yet write it back to the ecu (which could explain why they don't work (yet..). Apparently Bosch disabled writing of eeprom over k-line (kwp2000, etc.) on some variants of firmware so perhaps this is the reason why they won't boot, mismatch of what it expects to see on the ecu's eeprom vs the flashed firmware. Its also why virginising a Ferrari ecu was not yet achieved using 'standard' eeprom rewriting techniques. I think there may be some internal rom functions which may differ so even if we are able to rewrite the eeprom it may not work without doing further work (also possible and I've mentioned it before) is to reroute those rom calls back to free flash area and dump the internal rom to find the missing functions and relocate them back into flash then patch all functions using them to reference the internal flash instead. No easy task but 'possible'...) Next step therefore to making some progress is for me to identify the function in the firmware which does the defence of the eeprom writing and disable it by patching the code and also dump the internal rom. Once I've done that and we can successfully write eeprom I will be able to progress this further again. This will also mean I can then virginize paired ecu's so they become like new again which means any old right hand (used) ecu could then be used on any Ferrari 360 in left or right banks. Which today isn't possible due to the pairing (unless you use my immobilizer off patch which ignores the pairing altogether). Hope this helps clarify. -T
can you post a copy of the kwp 2000 firmware you made so i can delete mine and why has ferrari not taken care of this with a recall its embarassing being in a car this nice broken down on the side of the road cause of a stupid security system that keeps on malfunctioning enzo would roll over in his grave to hear the ford mustang drivers laughing at his car owners broken down on the side of the road the employees at ferrari better hope hes not watching unbelievable sorry just had too get that off my chest
There is no such thing as a kwp 2000 firmware and every single model year the firmware was different not to mention differences between model variants, markets like EU and US, 6 speed and Manual H-gate, etc. The list goes on, many tens of variants so you cannot just post a random firmware and expect it to work. If you wait I'm developing a solution that will work across all cars but this requires quite of lot of effort. I'm also resolving a lot of issues the community has experienced and a whole bunch of upgrades like larger air flow meters for improving performance. Kwp200 fyi is just a communications protocol. Ferrari also wouldn't remove the immobilizers since some countries legislation requires it so they would have needed to replace it which they simply wouldn't do for free. If you have a problem pay your $5k+ or wait for my significantly less costly solution which I am trying to make plug in and play easy..
What Trev said; Plus, this isn't recall territory under any circumstance. Recalls are health & safety and are mandated by the federal government. In general, this system works pretty well. It has some limitations, the biggest being lost fobs & codes. Trev is expanding the options AND addressing other issues. But as he noted, it is a big job and particularly so to make the system robust. You don't want it 'kind of' working; that would be worse than the current system.
On the subject of alarm systems, I recently went to our local MB dealer to order a new key fob for my twenty-year-old truck. To my surprise (Why should it not have been?), I was told that MB no longer sells them. So, I guess I will have to repair the two fobs that have lost their semi-circular attachments for a key ring. The point of my post is simply this: I am grateful that someone is seeking to understand the immobilizer system, as we can not count on Ferrari to support its legacy owners. Whether we like it or not, obsolescence is a fact of life..
MAYBE IM LOOKING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION BUT MY CAR WENT IN LIMP MODE ONLY 1 AND 2 GEAR NO POWER CANT PRESS GAS PEDAL THEN IT IS DEAD ALL TOGETHER THE FOB DOESNT DO ANYTHING AND ITS MARKING REAR HATCH OPEN AT ALL TIMES BUT AGAIN THE FOB FLASHES BUT THE CAR DOESNT CHANGE
The caps lock is just above the shift key and no need to post in all BOLD. If you read the thread you know this is not available yet as a service. I will be but there is no fixed timeline or set cost. In our case, it doesn't sound like an immo problem. You are starting in limp mode so you are starting. That means your immo is working fine. If you want to pursue this issue you should start a thread so as not to distract from this subject.
o i get it to stay on subject sorry everyone but i do want to pick up your (plug and go bypass with the ability to upgrade) i think you should name it like trevinator or trevitron
OK guys I'm sorry its been a while on this subject but I am almost ready to make this prime time... After a lot of dedicated research and effort I am on the verge of being able to make it ready. I'm close to finding a solution to cloning your firmware onto a spare (low cost) replacement ecu and I would really like to get this done and dusted before I release this prime time since then all you'll need to do is store your old ecu's away and use replacements. Even without the immobilizer if you retain the original immobilizer box the central locking function will still work or if you so wish you can take the entire thing out and install my replacement system which is again under development and I'll soon have my first drop in replacements ready to test.
Can I get a CS tune on the replacement ECU along with the imm delete? Cheers, and mucho support for your efforts kind SIR> !
Subscribed as well. Stumbled across this as mine is currently at the specialist who is trying to source 2 new ECUs at great expense... Sounds like my existing ones can be sent away and reflashed... this could be game changing! 360trev - are you still reflashing old ECUs or have you moved on? Cheers David
Hello David, Sorry I've been away for the past couple of weeks so haven't been on forum much as I've been travelling. Anyway, absolutely yes. PM me and we can get your car fixed inexpensively. A tiny fraction of whatever price anyone else comes up with!
You can do whatever you wish on this front. Having been analysing the 360 Challenge Vs Challenge Stradale I can see a really interesting intersect of the two different mappings being both more fun out on the track and yielding improvements in performance. I'll test this extensively however before I make a preset option in the tool...one all the hard work is done I'll make it possible to do things easily without all the technical jargon that goes with the territory...
Hi dear members, hi dear Trev, I would like to thank you Trev for your excellent job and great efforts. Even if the vast majority of 360 owners are not well aware of that today, your labor will help the 360 to continue to drive for the next decades. Because the car is now quite old and ECU defects begin to happen. To repair, it is not just a question of money, but also a question of spare parts availability. And I am very worried about that... I am a 360 owner (manual gearbox) from the south of France, and as engine Engineer and an active member of the French forum (www.theferrarista.com) I confirm your list above-mentioned. French owners (and I suppose European owners) must face today points 1, 6, 7 and 10 as technical issues. As I love also "tuning" (but few Ferrari owners are like that, they prefer "full stock" to keep high value) I also love to improve/upgrade my 360. So your points 2,3,4,8 and 9 could find their customers (in most cases the yougest owners). But your major success would be to offer to the community the solution to get a 360 ECU on the basis of a cheap ECU. So Forza !
Thank you for taking the time to come over here and comment. Some exciting times ahead as I've got an initial prototype device which I will soon reveal. It will be menu driven and make it easy to choose exactly what you want to accomplish. I will also make it update over air automatically so you always get the very latest features. Coming soon a preview video very soon. Just waiting for first batch of prototypes to wing their way over from China Also working on making this device work across multiple cars including plans for F430, Scuderia, 456, 550 and 575. If there is sufficient demand I will expand to later models too...
Good news dear Trev It is clear nowadays that China offers great opportunities for automotive electric/electronic parts Waiting for your demonstration video !
I can attest to the fact that we are facing potential expensive and frustrating future with these old car - my CS lost an ECU during a track day about 4 years ago (fortunately I had a spare on hand). Then the TCU started acting up a couple of years ago and I had to replace it (intermittent issue - probably due to those quality soldering)...locating one at reasonable price was a challenge. Kudos to 360Trev for coming up with a solution! BTW, I have a "spare" TCU if you are looking for your next project
