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Ferrari 360 major issues while on 600 mile drive :((

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  1. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
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    Hi all. My name is Ryan and I am new to the forum. I am also new to owning a Ferrari. My model is a 2002 360 f1 spider with Ansa high flow cats, mufflers, tips. Everything else is stock I believe. Car has 33,000 miles on it and I bought it with 32,000 miles and no service history proof. So I've decided to move to las Vegas from Santa rosa California (bay area). As I'm all excited crushing my Ferrari on the 15 only 100 miles out from Vegas in 6th gear, I downshift to 5th. I always drive in sport mode. In the middle of my downshift I heard a horrifying squeal from behind me. As I up shifted back to 6th gear. Just befor it changed gears I'd did it again. Sounded like a super super loud belt squeal. I decide to get off the freeway. It does the same thing in between every shift and finally when I come to a stop going into neutral it does it continuously. At this point while it's squealing like a mad man out of hell I can smell some kind of burning like a belt burn kinda smell or something. As I pull into the gas station in primm everyone is looking at me thinking damn nice car but what a piece of ****. How embarrassing. I check the fluid in the f1 pump reservoir. It looks good. As I cycle the key to the on position I can hear the f1 motor doing its thing. I start the car back up and it's squealing like crazy again. I try to shift into 1st and it won't let me finally after several attempts it goes into 1st and once I give it enough gas the squeal goes away. I get on the freeway and make it to my new place in Vegas. At this point I start the car it rarely makes the horrifying squeal but will not go into gear at all. It bumps like it wants to put it doesn't. I am new to Vegas and don't know any real well known independents here and would absolutely hate to take it to the dealer at the Wynn come Monday. I am lightly mechanically inclined. I have had a check engine light on the dash al,ost since I have gotten the car which has nothing to do do with what happen today. No other lights have come on. Please give opinions. Thanks everyone also don't know if anyone post phone numbers but if you live in Vegas my number is 707 293 1991 .
     
  2. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Wynn is excellent. I'm sending you a PM
     
  3. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
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    I am planning to take to Wynn on Monday, does anyone else have any thoughts or experiences on what might be my problem.
     
  4. Piper

    Piper Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Good luck, man. Certainly hope it's nowhere near as bad as it was scary. No idea, just best wishes.
     
  5. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

    Sep 22, 2008
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    Sounds like a throwout bearing. I'm doing one in my 355 (non-f1) right now, same symptoms. Anytime you put the clutch in, it squeels like a stuck pig. Not sure how difficult it is on a 360, but it's not difficult at all on a 355.
     
  6. nmercier

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    Sep 25, 2010
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    Clutch adjustment but more then likely it is the throwout bearing. See if they can upgrade the bearing to the ones used in the Challenge cars. It is not a big deal to do but since it is a Ferrari and you are in Vegas get some vaseline.
     
  7. Michael B

    Michael B F1 Rookie
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    Yes, I concur with the group on a possible throw-out bearing. I am so sorry that your history with it has been flawed, but once you get it straightened out my guess is that you will be pleased again with the experience. Do post back with the result.
     
  8. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
    21
    Thanks everyone, I will. If it were infact the throw out bearing being toast, would that cause it not to go into gear now, or would that be something else. Also with no service history on the car and with this car going to be my daily driver shoulda consider any upgrades if perhaps I need a new clutch? Also, would the Ferrari dealer offer the better alternatives? Thanks
     
  9. nmercier

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    #9 nmercier, Dec 4, 2011
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2011
    The throw out bearing allows the clutch to be engaged / dis-engaged thus allowing the transmission to shift. So if the bearing is toast, then you will not be able to shift gears.

    As for upgrades I would ask about the challenge car bearing setup and unless the clutch is really used (less then 30-40%) then replacing it should not be needed. The bearig upgrade is very common.

    The clutch is a tough call. Depending on how the TCU is setup the readout on the clutch wear is not a good indicator. A good shop, which I am sure Wynn is will measure the clutch plate thickness. Those guys are really experienced with these cars.

    You can spend a lot of money quickly however, b/c while the gearbox is out you can change the tranny mount, engine mounts, oil change, gearbox oil change, F1 oil change, air filters, suspension bushings...it can go on....and you are then walking away spending $10k or more.

    Good luck. It is only a car, anything can be fixed. As my well-off mechanics says...it only takes money : )
     
  10. DoctorWill

    DoctorWill Formula Junior

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    Dude, have it towed to Wynn....don't drive it any more!!!
     
  11. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
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    At the wynn dealer in Vegas now. Great guys. After a few hours of diagnostics we found that the throw out bearing is toast. We are going to pull the trans out and view all clutch components. Since this is being done I will probably want new throw out bearing clutch disk pressure plate new fly wheel new pilot bearing new rear main seal. And new clutch sensor. What do you guys think? Also do I want all factory 360 parts again or are there upgrades I should consider? Also I do the update clutch flywheel and tcu
     
  12. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    Hill clutch release bearing and gearbox hydraulic block are frequently recommended - lots of threads refer
     
  13. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
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    The technician hasn't heard of the hill product. They are willing to install aftermarket if I provide the parts. Do they have a website for ordering and could I get it overnighted to Vegas. Also regarding the clutch disk and pressure plate do I want a new stock 360 Ferrari brand or is something else better. Can I upgrade to a 360CS version without any problem. More advice greatly appreciated
     
  14. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    Hmmmmm

    And send you to Ricambi
     
  15. Fatty

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    Jun 5, 2010
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    Here's the website for Hills Engineering:
    http://www.hillengineering.co.uk/

    Great bunch and very quick to respond/deliver, but it won't happen overnight as they're based in the UK.

    Try Ricambi, as they're US based:
    www.ricambiamerica.com

    I've ordered parts from both of them (to Australia), and they were very quick to respond/deliver internationally.

    Good luck and keep us updated with pics if possible. :(
     
  16. DonJuan348

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    No independent shops in Vegas?
     
  17. adamr34

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    Ryan, what was your final cost, parts and labor for this entire job.
     
  18. bobzdar

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    How many miles? If you have the clutch out, measure the wear on it and then decide. If it's less than 50% worn, I wouldn't replace. No need to replace the flywheel/pressure plate unless warped beyond being able to be resurfaced, which unless the clutch was slipping badly shouldn't be the case.
     
  19. ewdiggs

    ewdiggs Rookie

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    I live in Las Vegas and take my 360 to Gary at Italy Service. So far I have been happy with their work. They have been around a long time. Good luck with your repair.
     
  20. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
    21
    So today I was able to view the transmission and all the components with the clutch. The throw out bearing was completely destroyed. The teeth on the pressure plate were bent all over the place. The clutch was wore down to the groves. The flywheel had serious heat marks looked a little stressed. Here's what I decided to have them replace. Throw out bearing with seals already in place as well as the 2 slider pins and 2 springs. (I oresered the one from hill and should be here tomorrow morning. Factory Pressure plate and clutch kit. Factory flywheel. Factory pilot bearing. Factory clutch position sensor, factory rear main seal. I am all fluds changed. Mobile 1 15/50 engine oil, new gear oil for transmission. New f1 fluid. New brake fluid, new power steering fluid, coolant flush (basically a 2 year service.). Also I have decided to replace both engine mounts as well as transmission mount. Goal charge parts and labor estimated approx. $10,000.
    Ps' I did find out that I have the upgraded 6 bolt flywheel,clutch and upgraded tcu already.
    To,or row they start putting it all back together.
     
  21. AlphaBoy

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    Best of luck Ryan ;-)
     
  22. DonJuan348

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    doesn't 360 have the gage that tells the clutch wear ?
     
  23. nmercier

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    Ahhhhh just as I said. Here is the thing it may cost you some money now but you will now know exactly what you have in the car. I would rather own a car that I have to fix while I own it then worry about whether or not it was done right by someone else.

    Enjoy it.
     
  24. ryansprimeauto

    Jun 19, 2011
    21
    Bdelp, thank you for the referral to the Penske Wynn Ferrari dealer here in Vegas. WOW is all I can say. As I towed my car into the service department, all the mechanics and service manager instantly greeted me. We addressed all problems and immediately got my car on a lift. I did not have that feel of being at a snobby dealer where all the mechanics act as if they are navy seals, instead I felt like I was a local hangout with a bunch of guys that love cars as much as I do. Feel free to hang out, feel free to sit under the car why they work on it if you like. They have no problems with the customers hangin around and in the shop. The service advisor Richard kansky is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He will take tons of digital photos of the mechanic working on the car showing everything that is being done and will email and keep a digital photo history of service for you. He will never ever UPSALE you on anything that doesn't need to be replaced. Myself being in the car business for several years knows first hand that most service advisors try to nickel and dime a customer for many things that the car really doesn't need. This is not the case at Penske Wynn. They are not the cheapest price in town, and also they are not the most expensive, but after my first experience I can honestly say I bet they are the best. As with any Ferrari dealership they have every proper tool and diagnostic equipment needed to service your Ferrari correctly. It is by far the cleanest, most organized shop I have ever been in. Travis was my mechanic who personally worked on my car. He's a great guy and extremely knowledgable. He takes his time doing work correctly. It dis take 32 hours to complete the work that was done on my car but I was only charged for approx 20 hours as quoted in the book. They do not rush! What I had replaced was a new clutch, pressure plate, flywheel, clutch position sensor, clutch position sensor mounting bracket, HILL throw out bearing, pilot bearing, rear main seal,f1 fluid fished and changed, engine oil, oil filter, and air filters changed, power steering fluid flushed and change, brake fluid flushed and changed, coolant flushed and changed, transmission gearbox fluid flushed and changed. I also had both motor mounts changed out for the updated f430 ones, as well as the transmission mount changed. I also had all my brake pads removed, cleaned, sanded and lubed to got rid of an annoying squeak. It's gone. I also had my coolant lines snaked out prior to flush which fixed my heater issue. Now I have a heater that blows all hot. All in all I spent $9,500. This is a car I bought and got a great deal on because it had no service history. Now I know what I have. I'll be going back to Penske Wynn in a couple weeks to do a major belt service, etc... Now my car drives incredibly well, I love everything about it. I am new to Vegas and excited to know about a great shop that will take care of all my cars. If you are looking for customer service that is extra ordinary and a job that is going to be performed right the first time, at a fair price then look no further. If you own an exotic and live in Vegas just stop. By the dealer and ask for Richard, look at there shop, first time there you will be sold. Just a bunch of car guys with a huge Ferrari exotic passion havin fun. Anks again for the referral bob. Bdelp
     

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