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Ferrari 420 and the Blue Devil

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Mark(study), Dec 17, 2003.

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  1. Mark(study)

    Mark(study) F1 Veteran

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    #1 Mark(study), Dec 17, 2003
    I hope to see a all new 360 (or 420) for 2005 or 06

    Someone mentioned that Ferrari has a great bussiness plan by bumping HP up just 50 hp at a time so they can sell more cars over time.

    348 350hp* $120k
    355 380hp* $150k
    360 420hp* $170k
    420 475hp* $200k
    (*don't have my chart for exact numbers, but just making a point)

    They could make a 600hp car but why not work up the ladder slowly and sell more cars between now and 600hp? Seems like a good business plan. Will the HP wars cause Ferrari to re-think the plan?

    2006 Corvette Z program 625hp $100,000 k 2900 pounds
    Corvette designed to do battle with—and conquer—the mid-engined GT from rival Ford for $50k less.

    The Blue Devil Reportedly producing 625 hp, Blue Devil’s initial power will come from a supercharged 427 engine—and it will use lightweight carbon fiber for key body parts, reducing weight by several hundred pounds to
    drop the super C6 to about 2900 pounds. The price indicated on the internal documents is $100,000 production in 2006

    The high-performance heart of Blue Devil is the kind of specialized, high-content engine project envisioned for the General’s new Performance Build Center set to open shop next year in Wixom, Michigan. The center
    is intended to attack projects with “a sort of race team mentality,” says Ed Koerner, vice president of GM Powertrain engineering operations.

    Patterned after low-volume race shops, the center could build up to 10,000 powerplants per year for very specific, high-end, high-performance GM vehicles. Koerner says engines from the shop should appear in showroom vehicles by 2005.
     
  2. Willis360

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    #2 Willis360, Dec 17, 2003
    Bottom line is that nobody has any idea what Ferrari has in the pipeline. It's all speculation. Ferrari's not blind to what is going on out there. They'll have something really nice whenever they're ready. They alway do.
     
  3. amenasce

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    #3 amenasce, Dec 17, 2003
    I think most Ferrari buyers buy them for the whole experience.And It has been said several time that no matter what you compare the 360 to, its still the most exhilarating car.

    So its slower than the Audi Lardo or the 996 TT, who cares if you are having more fun ?
     
  4. bostonmini

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    #4 bostonmini, Dec 17, 2003
    Please do not forget that Ferraris are hand made cars, they are more expensive to purchase, insure, and maintain...As such, the fact of the matter is that Ferrari IS ALREADY combatting the Ford GT and Chevy Blue Devil type cars....they just do it with their own version that costs $660K, its called the ENZO...
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    #5 Mitch Alsup, Dec 17, 2003
    Lets play with the numbers:

    348 intro 300 HP went to 320 HP over 5 years
    355 intro 380 HP went to 375 HP with OBDIO-II Ferrari throws in F1 to make up lost ground
    360 intro 395 HP went to 420 HP Stradale

    {side note: the F355 and the F360 engine produce the same amount of power on a per displacement basis. The 360 produces a wider band of power due to the dual inlet tracks that can tune for two different RPM bands}

    At this rate, a 4.2 in the same state of tune as a 360 CS should come in at 490 HP and the measly 275 lb-ft will change into 320 lb-ft.

    In racing trim a 360 GT makes 450 HP; so
    In racing trim a 420 GT should make 525 HP.
     
  6. Doody

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    #6 Doody, Dec 17, 2003
    and don't forget to factor in inflation (italian and american conversion).

    doody.
     
  7. enzoz

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    #7 enzoz, Dec 17, 2003
    In inside guy from GM gave me some highly classified info on the Blue Devil project aswell as spy pics. Let me just tell you guys, I'd take a car like that over the Viper SRT-10, GT, and even the almost unstreetable Saleen S7. The car is wicked fast and can be used as a daily. Not only that but like the Ford GT it will be highly 'modable.'

    What Ferrari needs is some bad ass V12 cars besides the Enzo. I keep saying, if they add a V6 Dino and a new TR things they'd have all bases covered.
     
  8. scuderia47

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    #8 scuderia47, Dec 17, 2003

    exactly...when people say that the GT40 or whatever is faster than a ferrari, it ususally means that they are comparing it to the 360 line up. well...when u compare a GT40 to an Enzo...well then the ferrari is the superior car.

    the GT40 is ford's supercar, so why not compare it to Ferrari's supercar?
     
  9. Mark(study)

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    #9 Mark(study), Dec 17, 2003
    Guys with $200,000 look at 360, Ford GT and the Blue Devil

    Guys with $1,000,000 to spend, look at the Enzo and then look at this....
     
  10. jonesn

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    #10 jonesn, Dec 17, 2003
    Please don't tell me that Dan Kennedy sold his F1 to some rapper. Chrome rims?
     
  11. ferrari_kid

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    #11 ferrari_kid, Dec 17, 2003
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    a 2900# car with 600+hp? sounds like it could outperform the enzo in a heartbeat and for $100k? of course on paper a lot of cars look better than they really are.

    but when people say supercar there are few cars that really come to my mind. most of them being ferraris like the f40, f50 and enzo. others being the mclaren f1, and the pagani zonda c12 s
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  12. F40

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    #12 F40, Dec 17, 2003
    He still has the F1 I do believe, Nitto had it at SEMA last year too, to showcase their tires. He did have it for sale though at www.mclarenforsale.com and his Enzo was for sale too.
     

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