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Ferrari 512 BBLM history

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by tomgt, Mar 21, 2006.

  1. bamaman

    bamaman Karting
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    Correct, Marcel, thanks for updating! Is that facility still open?
     
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  3. Marcel Massini

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    The building was destroyed and a new public parking garage built. About 30 years ago already.

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  4. marlon308

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    On August 23, 2020, I posted a call regarding Boxer engine #00003. I received quite a few responses to this, which unfortunately raised more questions than answers.

    With the help of pgrootzwagers and Ferrari Classiche Department, among others, the story of Boxer-engine #003 was unraveled, noting that the famous red book could not be provided because car and engine did not belong together. And in this case, that may be just as well. I don't want to withhold from you the remarkable story of the 1977 Ferrari 512 BB with chassis number #21513 and engine number #00003. In the end, the answers were provided by the car's builder and its eccentric first owner, and the key to this 512 BB's history lay coinciding with Ferrari's assignment to Carrozzeria Auto Sport to transform 512 BBs into Le Mans versions. Carrozzeria Auto Sport is the well-known company of Franco Bacchelli and Roberto Villa, also known as Bacchelli & Villa.

    In the spring of 2020 (the corona crisis had just broken out), I was intrigued by the appearance of #21513. At first glance, it was an expanded version as was often done at the time by the likes of Koenig Specials. However, this BB had an aluminum extension with rivets, a roll cage and mirrors that resembled those of a 288 GTO. Further investigation also revealed that the wheel arches had cutouts for custom brakes. The owner gave me the opportunity to examine the car further and in good faith gave me the keys and papers. And what could be better than going out with a Ferrari Boxer during the crisis?

    My first impression: the car drove disastrously bad and was in need of a major overhaul but compared to the other Boxers I had driven it was striking that the car was more powerful with more available power than I had experienced with other BBs. During one of the many rides it was clear to me: this is absolutely no ordinary 512 BB.

    An extensive overhaul and maintenance was performed. Also the engine was tackled and it appeared that the camshafts were different from those of a standard 512 BB. This was also proven by a roller test: after all those years still more than 400 hp, while a standard BB had no more than 360 hp. The car also drove insanely well (and with a country in lockdown and empty highways, that was just a treat). However, the how and why of this BB was still not clear. The car had been delivered with a different engine number and in a different color. Now the car was yellow and had an engine that was initially delivered to Ch. Pozzi in 1977. There were spoilers on the car that reminded most of the 365 Boxer Competizione.
    Because the story has now also been written by a journalist I don't want to reveal everything that has emerged here on Ferrarichat. I just want to thank everyone who participated, from whom we received tips and information and also people who showed pure interest.

    In 2021 I went to Italy together with Robbert Buijs from Cool Classic Club and Franco Bachelli personally gave us more information about this unique 512 BB. We also spoke extensively with the first owner, who actually wanted a 'competition car for the road', to his friends with standard Boxers and a few with a Countach. In 1979, at the request of his wealthy client, Bachelli modified his standard BB, obviously inspired by the 512 BB/LMs. The request was also: build me a 'competizione stradale'. Through Ch. Pozzi, the fast engine *00003* was mounted in the car. In the early 1980s the car also received experimental mirrors and, because the racing brakes simply did not offer the comfort, was rebuilt back to 'standard'.

    The car is unfortunately going to be sold. I sincerely hope that a new owner will do with it what the first owner had in mind: a competition car for the road. Boxers from 1977 are allowed on the main events. PM me for more information.
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  5. bamaman

    bamaman Karting
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    William M (B.J.) Lyon, Jr.
  6. bamaman

    bamaman Karting
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    William M (B.J.) Lyon, Jr.
    I owned #34445 in 1985 and sold to Bruce Vineyard of Conyers Georgia. It had a blown engine, rebuilt by my friend Mike Gourley of Continental Coachworks.
     
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  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I have personaly sen Engine #0004, in a street car, long neglected here in Houston.

    We always surmised the first three "blew Up" in Factory testing, so this is very interesting....19721? Maybe the VIN of the 512BB here.
    In any event it turned out to be the leaky and steaming coolant "Paris Show Car"

    In Canada now for many years, disasembled....
     
  9. turbo-joe

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    I have BB 21351, engine number not know, but inside are high compression pistons and other camshafts. koenig says 450 hp, so I think some engine parts from the LM inside?
     
  10. CornersWell

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    FYI, BBLM engine internals were the same as the street motors. Build sheets show, IIRC, "Originale" for crank, pistons and connecting rods, etc.. Most owners upgraded their motors with better quality materials (Ti, billet steel and billet aluminum, for example) over time. Hasn't changed bhp ratings all that much (a bit in the torque curve, though), but extended life and reduced maintenance costs. Some motors went "stroker", which caused a spate of failures. The highest dyno sheet I actually ever saw for a BBLM was in the 515 range, though. States they used "trick racing fuel" and that car had a TON of other work done to it by the owner at the time. Totally re-done exhaust (by hand...the shop says, "Never again"), for example. Lucas mechanical fuel injection, though, to supplement the electrical. We ran both on race days.

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  11. turbo-joe

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    sure? as I know the camshafts are different, so also the timing for the valves
     
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  13. CornersWell

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    Correction. Build sheets show "Normali" or "Normale".

    That's what they say. I will re-check them when I can.

    Also, I am aware that a couple of motors have been bored out to larger displacements. Those motors were closing in on 6L, IIRC.

    CW
     

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