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  1. alebart3

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    #1 alebart3, Jun 24, 2008
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    Dear Sirs, I post a thread to know a lot of things about #1026 Sebring 1970 winner and I hope someone may help!
    But by a news from a very kind man (mamo models) I found this Sebring photo:
    Anyone know something about the little air intake in the door on the left side?Was really here in the race?
    May be to cool Dinoplex?
    Thanks,
    Alessandro
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  3. BIGHORN

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    The book "12 Hours of Sebring 1970" has a lot of photos of this car and the scoop (or whatever) is not visible in any.
     
  4. alebart3

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    To BIGHORN
    "The book "12 Hours of Sebring 1970" has a lot of photos of this car and the scoop (or whatever) is not visible in any."

    The book is not the new one is 1995 "Sebring 12 - Hour Race 1970" book.Seems (I have not the book)that there is a photo on page 30.
    I was not able to understand what kind of thing is but it don't looks like an artifact...?
    Alex
     
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    The 12 hours book I referred to was published in 2005, Harry Hurst author, Publisher Hurst Communications phone 610-725-9600, if interested..it's mainly photos and interviews with participants. Good book, especially enlightening are comments by NART fabricator and Ferrrari expert Wayne Sparling.

    Re the clearer photo, the artifact looks more like a marker light except on the wrong side if I remenber the Sebring timing pit location right.
     
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  7. alebart3

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    To BIGHORN,
    it is a mistery!Nigth ligth was on the rigth side....there is another little air intake under the square racing number on the rigth to cool fuel pumps..was a hot day and the Dinoplex was still on the car ground, then it was located on the left tank,under the left door..but the other cars?
    However it is impossible to make a nice 1:12 model before to solve the question!
    The new book has photo of the day of the racing?
    Many photos usually are from the pratice and taken from the rigth, some from the front and it is impossible to compare....
    Thanks
     
  8. BIGHORN

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    ID Light should be on right side as that would be seen from timing/scoring. Pg 53 and 55 of the book I referenced have color pics of the right side at a distance but it is hard to see details. You might try to contact the author (it appeare to be self published) to see if he has any more photos..he was the track photographer that year.
     
  9. alebart3

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    #8 alebart3, Jun 27, 2008
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    Dear BIGHORN, tanks for your support!I'm posting a new foto with the mistery object!
    Is a little more clear and seems that there is something inside, furthermore the "obj" is not on the left door but between the door and the front body (under there is a metal frame and no way for anithing)....there is no evidence of a cable (may be something leaved there from a mechanic)or a connection to the body.
    The "obj"is full round and not an intake as usual.I tink that is not a light (too big and in the wrong direction-looking to the front of the car) and if you see the other photo, the reflecting number are on the right side of the car......something before I call the centre for U.F.O objects?
    Regards,
    Alessandro
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    you are right..I have no idea what it could be
     
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  12. WilyB

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    Could it be a camera?

    (I know, it is small, but an 8mm may be...)
     
  13. alebart3

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    I don't know..the Ferrari doesn't like films!However thanks..the mistery is still here!
    Alessandro
     
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    nice photo's, they are setting up in the dirt, under the rain..... last epic racing things
    thanks
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    Could it be a role of tape? Maybe they were taping the door shut? Just a wild guess.
     
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    Peter ,that could be !
    especially if we look on Alessandro's second pic ,it seems a role of tape.

    regards
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  18. alebart3

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    Dear ivo&bigodino is a nice idea the role of tape, but it isn't too little the hole inside if is it this?
    There are many pieces of brown tape on the car, over front ligths, STP labels, but it is possible that there is not a photo of the right side of the car racing?
    Thank for help,
    Alessandro

    ps any of you never see the bottom of the 512 S engine?
     
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    The object that you are refering to is a vent that was added to the car due to the heat at Sebring. It was done by using a round flex duct. This vent is supported by a small aluminum duct cover. It is right at the front edge of the door, not the triangular support structure in front of the door. The best pic is the one that you mentioned on page 30 of Sebring 12-Hour Race 1970 edited by Robert Auten.
     
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    I just saw one yesterday, took every detail except the bottom of the car. Will get it next time!
     
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    Oh yea, where are the chassis stamps on these badboys?
     
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    If you stand behind the car it's on one of the small chassis pipes on the right (next to the engine). If the hood is up you can't miss it.
     
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    Tanks Ney, yes I see them but need more!
    The Guerzoni 3d car is beautifull, but he also was without pics for the bottom of the engine,there was many mistakes in the lower side parts, fuel pumps ecc.
    Alex
     
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    #25 fazzaz 512, Jul 23, 2008
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    Hi Alessandro,
    The 'two strange areas of flat(?) on the sump' as you called it are not on the sump. These are pieces of thin aluminum glued and rivetted to tubes on the rear lower part of the chassis.
    At Daytona (the first race for the 512) the cars did not have the extra tube (B) identified with an arrow.
    On some cars this additional tube to improve the torsional stiffness was added already at Daytona.
    By the time of Sebring all factory cars had this tube (B) attached.
    The Aluminium sheet which was trying to add even more strength connected tubes A and B. I have not seen this on any 'S' models. But then period photos of the bottoms of the cars are quite rare. To my knowledge these were first used on the 'M' either as a plain sheet, or with several large flanged holes.
    Sorry, the image is a bit small but hopefully will explain the point.
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