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  1. SimCity3

    SimCity3 F1 Rookie

    Reintroduce carbs.

    Vinyl is back in demand for the discerning. It is the best sound medium.

    F1 is supposed to represent the best - not the latest temporary fad.
     
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  2. william

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    Limiting the fuel flow rate is the cornerstone of the present technical rules, probably even more important than the 100kg/hr rule.
    The idea was to prevent sudden bursts of power when needed, followed by more lift-and-coast periods to compensate.
    Anyone tempering with the fuel flow rate is turning the rules on their head, and blattantly cheating, IMO.
     
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  3. TonyL

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    Flow rate is variable with RPM below 10,500rpm, its up to the teams to decide how they do it, above that to 15,000rpm it may not exceed 100kg/h
     
  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    #129 DF1, Mar 6, 2020
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    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/28851814/world-motor-sport-council-backs-fia-handling-ferrari-engine-row

    The WMSC -- which features Ferrari team principal Mattia Binotto among its representatives and has no other representation from any F1 team -- met on Friday and, among other issues, discussed the ongoing engine row. In a statement released on Friday night, it confirmed it supported the FIA's handling of the situation and appeared to take aim at the seven teams in opposition.


    The council expressed unanimous support for the FIA President and the FIA Technical Department in regard to the overall management of the case, and strongly opposed any comments that undermine the reputation and image of the FIA and the Formula One World Championship," the statement read.

    The WMSC also approved an increase in the minimum weight of F1 cars this season from 745kg to 746kg as a result of new elements to monitor the legality of power units, believed to be related to concerns over the legality of the Ferrari last year.

    In addition, it confirmed drivers would be now be allowed to change their helmet design race to race, overturning a regulation set in 2015 that attempted to create more consistency in designs to help fans spot drivers.

    The WMSC also approved a plan to allow teams to use F1's 2021-spec tyres, which are fitted to 18-inch rims, at the end-of-season test in Abu Dhabi.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    Would lose 50-100 HP.
     
  6. TonyL

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    I have some old Webers in the garage somewhere !
     
  7. DeSoto

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    Hum, well, that's off topic, but the resurgence of vinyl records has a lot to do with poser hipsters. Vinyls get dirty and can get warped, while digital audio can exceed easily the capacity of human hearing. Let's say that vinyls sound "different", but not better.

    Actually this is not entirely off topic: analog cars have more flavor but are slower than digital ones.
     
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  8. SimCity3

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    And that's the point.
    As a spectacle does the mass audience really care if the 2021 digital car is 2% faster than an analogue beast that requires greater man handling that visually dances across the tarmac ?
     
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  9. SimCity3

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    40's ? :D
     
  10. DeSoto

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    Well, this is an old debate.

    My personal opinion is that "living is easy with your eyes closed" and "time can change you but you can't change time". Formula 1 should go with the times (or ahead) and use the best technology available; actually it's already quite restricted. There are other races for the analog cars.
     
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  11. SimCity3

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    Maybe so.

    But the ever-changing rules in F1 are not doing it any favours.
    Way too complex and time consuming for the mass audience to fully comprehend, and that's before FIA interpretations and subjective decisions.

    There's a solid reason why boxing, football and tennis are constant popular sports. The rules are straightforward and remain the same through the decades.

    Comparatively, F1 is an irrelevant joke.
     
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  12. kraftwerk

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    How about if they managed to work out a way to store the fuel after the sensor.
    And in keeping with that theme....."The more I see the less I know for sure" JL ;)
     
  13. DeSoto

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    Not so easy to do. There is a sensor right at the end of the line.
     
  14. DeSoto

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    Well, the technical rules need to be complex because anything high tech is complex. But that's not the problem: the general public doesn't know how a carburettor works either.

    Regarding the sporting rules, yes, I agree, too much complex.
     
  15. A348W

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    the more complex, the more opportunity there is for loop holes!

    just look at any tax system!!!
     
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  16. TonyL

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    Nice idea but :)

    5.10.5 Any device, system or procedure the purpose and/or effect of which is to increase the flow rate or to store and recycle fuel after the measurement point is prohibited.

    The measurement point is the fuel tank sensor!

    Tony
     
  17. DeSoto

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    That was the theory, but the practice made them put a second sensor before the injectors.
     
  18. TonyL

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    Taken in conjunction with the other regulations and 5.10.5 it seems pretty watertight to me and no reason to fit another sensor, obviously somebody has come up with idea and the FIA put in another sensor just to make sure. The plumbing arrangement is pretty clearcut too!
     
  19. DeSoto

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    Well, there was a lot of talk about flexible fuel lines, so it wasn't so clearcut.
     
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  20. A348W

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    They could also put oil into the fuel line to get extra combustion; regs just talk about it going into the air mix?!

    Water injection?!

    who knows; and I doubt we ever will. FIA seem to want to bury this fairly deep.
     
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  21. william

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    Ecclestone: 'The teams must sue the FIA'

    http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/712125/Ecclestone_The_teams_must_sue_the_FIA/

    Bernie Ecclestone says that Ferrari's acceptance of a settlement from the FIA is an admission of guilt and that it is too late for Liberty Media or the FIA to put out this particular fire.

    Seven Formula One teams launched a protest against the findings of an FIA investigation into the 2019 Ferrari power unit after an undisclosed settlement was reached between Ferrari and the FIA. Former F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone says that the teams should now sue the FIA.

    The teams must sue the FIA," Ecclestone told F1 Insider. "It is about millions of dollars, which I think they are entitled to. If Ferrari was so innocent, why didn't they make the settlement with Jean Todt public? To me, that looks like a confession."

    The current FIA president, Jean Todt, is a former team principal of Ferrari, a fact that has not gone unnoticed by teams.

    Ecclestone continued by saying, “There have always been fires that I had to put out as a fireman. In my time, however, it was always possible to find a middle way with the teams, the FIA and myself. Now that is too late,"
     
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  22. DeSoto

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    Bernie never wastes a chance of saying that he would already have fixed everything.

    The poor bastard must be missing it.
     
  23. SimCity3

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    Bernie was a good fireman.

    Carey only has a good moustache.
     
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  24. Robb

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    Well off topic but I like the helmets changing race to race. :D

    Robb
     
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  25. DeSoto

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    Well, sometimes he was a pyromaniac fireman.
     
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