Ferrari apparently working on La “Machina” model; a V12 manual transmission answer to Aston Valiant

We will take what we can get.

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THAT is why they give us junk!

 

I guess I better get used to beeping then....

 

Let’s make it digital real- sticky haptic buttons! Why ruin the true Ferrari experience!


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Unfortunately the beeping will be mandatory in EU and doubt Ferrari will change for the rest of the world


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Yeah, but what humans can program/engineer humans can defeat.

 

There is truth to this, but missing context. In the aughts there was literally nearly zero market given what happen at Lamborghini and Ferrari (see @355TDI below). The order sheets don't lie.

Everything eventually finds a buyer; the real question is how long it takes to sell. Ferrari, with its production capped at around 13,000 units, has to carefully consider its product mix. No one doubts that a manual option would sell in today’s market—of course it would! But it's important to remember that manuals come with a lot of additional requirements that many people don't realize, which is why we're seeing the EAG situation now. In other words, it's not as simple as it seems, especially when you factor in regulatory requirements. It’s like debating child-safe lids on medicine bottles—sure, it's a valid discussion (in P&R), but I can't fault the companies for wanting to stay in business. They’re two different issues.

Yeah, times have really changed! These days, manuals are fetching much higher prices than their DCT counterparts, so some people are buying them just for that reason alone.

Manuals weren’t prioritized before because they take more time (and money) to develop alongside the standard models. But with special editions, you could argue that they might break that trend since they're unique. Otherwise, most manufacturers—big and small—eventually decide they don’t want to deal with the hassle of having cars that sit longer on the lot, and for Ferrari - a whole different transmission.

 

Nah... They will be able to delete it and keep the warranty. If they aren't touching engine mapping etc... it won't matter.


As far as the manual... Yes Ferrari could charge 500k more to the dealer for the limited run... The crazy thing is... It probably still wouldn't be profitable. To homologate a manual car through EPA is not cheap. Then it might even need to go through CARB as well. Plus the r and d on parts and keeping a supply of extra spares it's not a cheap endeavor for a manufacturer unless you are using off the shelf stuff.


The real profit center will be... If you want to qualify for the Ferrari manual... You will have to buy two Roman convertibles and a purosangue v12... And eventually the V8 when it comes out... Plus still retain your sf90.


There will be some silly metric for it. But keeping the brands value up by selling additional cars is really where the "profit" is.

 

I actually think the limited exclusive models would be a great venue for a manual. Especially.. especially if they use an existing framework like the 360 and 430 turret based shifter system like they did in the California. They could simply source a transmission from Getrag like the Porsche 992 or GT4 unit. Suddenly you have a gated car with minimal development costs. Add in start stop with the Bosch DME and you've got a compliant car. Could even be a track only car.

 

BS. The dealers ordered F1s because it was a pricey option. It had nothing to do with taking more time and money. Money talks, bs walks.

 

My friends who bought 430s new back in the day all ordered F1 as they thought it was cool and more like a modern race car. Few of them knew how to use a manual well, and they thought (or were told) buying a manual would make their car worth less in the future as it would be slower and would seem antiquated. When the cars became expensive to service and off warranty, they dumped them and got 458s. Now they generally wish they had ordered a manual and kept the car.

The F40 is proof that you can de-content a car and charge far more money, but that was almost 40 years ago - with modern governmental standards it would take some creativity to meet the legal requirements and make a light, simple(ish) car these days. Designing it using the eye of a talented designer and not just a wind tunnel would also make it more appealing than anything in the current lineup.

 

Good illustration of why low sales numbers 20 years ago don't mean a manual will sell poorly today.

 

Ferrari could strip the car nearly naked to cut weight, eliminating RWS, interiors including all insulation and carpeting, thinner glass, carbon roof, carbon wheels, race seats only, no radio(have a wire harness installed for this who must have one),no AC (have as a no cost option) and charge more for the hardtop over the targa version (no full convertible option to save weight)
Call it the Florio:
Corsa Florio for the hardtop hard core track Ferrari you can drive home
Targa Florio for the slightly soft road racer version
They would sell every one at whatever price they choose. There will be no depreciation and finally Ferrari has a car for the track to compete against Porsches GT cars


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I laugh at these nannies. There are real rednecks in Appalachia who can throw a tune on your ride with a laptop.

Think they can't figure out something that beeps?

So glad I met my BFF Brian. He held motorcycle drag racing bracket records as a team mechanic.

Appalachian culture is a real eye opener. There are archery meets open only to guys who make their own recurves.

There is another class for only hand made longbows. Yet another for crossbows.

ALL of those guys wrench and handload as well.

 

Where do you find that ownership?

What I find is BR has very little RACE stock and no seat on the board...so, their input is quite limited if at all.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RACE/holders/

BR ownership: .82%

 

I googled it. On Ferrari's website it said they have 6% so either it changed or I was wrong in the first place.

 

I see the issue, BR manages various funds and it is those funds that BR manages (for the fund's shareholders) that 'own' shares, for instance:

https://www.blackrock.com/us/individual/literature/brochure/unconstrained-equity.pdf

as of 06/30/24
https://www.blackrock.com/us/individual/literature/fund-commentary/oef-unconstrained-equity-fund-qtd-commentary.pdf

both indicate
Ferrari Nv 4.60%

BR on its own, not in a managed fund is different and quite low.