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  1. RacerNika

    RacerNika Karting

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    My dear Ferrari historians - any idea where I can find some historical data on the BBLM race car?

    I had the honor of going around the track in one (as a passenger only) and would love to get more information on the car and its history

    Thanks - you guys are great

    Nika
     
  2. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Hey Nika, my friend Bob Coates of the NY FCA owns perhaps the most important BBLM from 1979. It was built by NART & ran at LeMans, Watkins Glen etc. The first BBLMs were built by privateers, similair to my 512TR racer. Later Pininfarina designed the BBLM for Ferrari & I believe Michelotto built 30 or so original BBLMs

    By the way, I got a hellacious ride in a BBLM at Watkins Glen 15 years ago with Joe Rosen driving. We were totally HAULING around the track, porbably 200mph +, What a car!!!!!!
     
  3. FLATOUTRACING

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    Nika,

    You might want to contact Ferrari of Washington and ask for Arnold Poundstone (703) 478-3606. One of his customer's, Rich Liebhaver, owns a 512 BBLM and they might have more info.

    Also might want to try and contact Todd Maricci (sp?).

    William,

    Bob's car wasn't raced at LeMans if I remember correctly. It was converted from a standard BBi by Chinietti and raced in the US under the NART banner. I seem to recall Bob telling me it hadn't been raced at LeMans but I could be wrong on that.

    The BBLM's are wonderful cars and hark back to an era of huge engines and huge horsepower. When Bob's car goes down the straight at Summit it rattles the start/finish bridge.

    Regards,

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  4. 308 GTB

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    Nika,

    here are some articles relating to the BB 512 LM:

    http://www.ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_0303.shtml
    Sheehan Speaks
    by Michael Sheehan
    (Sports Car Market—March 2003 issue)


    http://www.ferraris-online.com/Articles/FMLA_9610.shtml
    FERRARI 512 BB/LM “SILHOUETTE”
    by Mike Sheehan
    (Ferrari Market Letter—Vol. 21 # 21, 12 October 1996 issue)


    http://www.sportscarmarket.com/profiles/current/032004-race.php
    1980 Ferrari 512 BB/LM
    Sports Car Market Magazine


    http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/summary/SN.512BBLM.htm
    BB 512 LM Technical specification's


    http://www.***************.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=163
    Ferrari 512 BB LM
    ***************.com

    Barry
     
  5. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Jon, I thought Bob told me his BBLM did run at LeMans, I just leafed through my book FERRARIS AT LE MANS and saw his car ran in 1977 & 1978. I think his is the only BBLM that looks like that. I ran with him last year with my 512TR race car. I was still getting a handle on my Monster so I was pretty slow but that should change this summer :) Bob's car has a great sound to it. Mine sounds very good but nowhere near as mean as Bob's BBLM
     
  6. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I met Richard this past week end at Moroso. What a nice Gentleman ! Very kind and passionate about his BBLM !
     
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  8. FLATOUTRACING

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    Will...went back and checked the internet and you are correct it did run at LeMans several times.

    Complete statistics are here: http://wspr-racing.com/chassis/365&512.htm

    Liebhaver takes great care of that car. His son, also named Rich, raced the car several seasons in the Historic Series.

    Regards,

    Jon
     
  9. BigTex

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    One sold at Gstaad also, below market value as near as I can tell.

    I have a sales ad from Autoweek years ago of the Pioneer car at $275K! Ha!

    Don't forget that Walter Medlin has one sleeping in his collection also!


    Hi Nika!

    Man, Dr. Barry W.,that's some GOOD research!
     
  10. BigTex

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    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    If I'd had $275K, I'd have a BLUE one! With a Pioneer stereo too.

    I have a scale model of one that ran at Daytona, equipped with a HUGE stainless wing and a front spoiler that looked like it came off a train!

    Any info on that one????? It's red with NART Stripes I believe.
     
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  13. FLATOUTRACING

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    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Let's see... He's got that cool street 512, and a spare engine..... ;)
     
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    They are beautiful cars, but they were not competitive with the Porsches of the era.
     
  17. Greg G

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    Hey Andrew... are you back in the States now?
     
  18. BigTex

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    No, I'd think the BBLM would be more like driving a Dodge Superbird! :)

    They are BIG HONKIN" cars!!!!!
     
  19. WILLIAM H

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    The BBLM had a weight problem, Also the 935 of that era had twin turbos & mad hp. I suppose the 935s could have just run away & hid from the BBLM, unless they blew their engines from overboost
     
  20. FLATOUTRACING

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    Don't forget that the BBLM's were based on the street cars which had been in production for a very short time.

    Porsche on the other hand had at least 10+ years of developing their street cars into well honed race cars at that point. They also had the advantage of factory drivers for their 934's and 935's while the BBLM's were driven by privateers, often amateur racers.

    Regards,

    Jon
     
  21. amenasce

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    Hi Greg !

    I was in the states for 5 days...i arrived in NY and then we flew to Palm Beach for the Targa 66 event.

    If everything goes right i should be back in NY around the 9th of april !

    Cu then !
     
  22. kevfla

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    Walt Medlin's BB is actually a 365BB converted by Chas. Pozzi. I'll check my photo archive and see if I can find a photo to post.
     
  23. BigTex

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    Is Mr Medlin doing OK, these days????

    There was a thread on his collection, recently.
     
  24. cinquevalvole

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    by chance I saw those pics today:

    1981 - Ferrari - - Competition 512 BB LM WeiB / Schwarz England
    Beschreibung: Ferrari 512 BBLM Chassis No. 35523 (now challenge eligible). (More Pictures Below) History:- 81 - Simon Phillips, UK, purchased from the factory 81/may/10 6h Silverstone Phillips/ Salmon/ Earle #41 81/jun/13 24h Le Mans Phillips/ Salmon/ Earle #48 81/oct/18 Silverstone Relay Phillips/ Salmon #5F 82/may/18 1000km Silverstone Phillips/ Salmon/ Earle #80 83/.. AMOC sprint - Goodwood 85 - Lord Beaverbrook, UK 93 - Stephen Bernstien, NY, USA 98 – Purchased by current owners We have restored the car to Its Le Mans spec and to concours condition, the car is also now Shell Historic Challenge eligible.
    http://www.dkeng.com

    cool stuff

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  25. Miltonian

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    Ms. Nika:

    In case you are still interested, I just found an article in Autoweek, 5/11/81, called "A Ferrari Fantasy: Stalking Riverside in a factory 512BB racer", by Jim Gandy. It's about Jon Masterson's BBLM #29507. Two pages with 5 grainy pictures. I can send you a copy if you wish.
     

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