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Ferrari Classiche Program

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  1. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

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    As some may know Ferrari have now jumped on the old/heritage car bandwagon. And have opened a new restoration and authentication service for any ferrari espesialy the older models of collectors editions. Heres the link to the new Maranello work shop. http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...on-hq-unveiled

    Any ways i was reading in this months classic & Sports car mag, that one of the first custumers that took in his Daytona for an authentication certificate. And it was discoverd that the car was stollen some years later and now it seems the dude has lost his car. And another custumer who was only givern a certificate once certain work was done by the Classiche program.
    I personaly cant see to many of the historical ferrari owners volunteering for there cars to be authenticated due to all the crash and rebuild racers that are out there. Like for example Lord Charles Brocket who him self rebuilt a ferrari racer from part of a chasis with the number stamped on it. Another car was else were with the same number due to the car being crashed and rebuilt during its racing career. Also alot of so called barn finds and racing wreck that have been rebuilt in the greedy 80s may indeed have a double some were in the world. I can personaly see alot of old ferrari racers being discredited and what was once thought of as an historical car may well not be the car they thought it was once "Ferrari Clasiche" does its authentication checks.
    What do you think of this??
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  2. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ Owner Rossa Subscribed

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    Wow!

    That would be TERRIBLE to lose your car based upon an older theft case, for sure!

    But folks like Tom S. with his recent frame found under a Devin repro, it will be handy to get new bodies and stuff rebuilt.....

    And if you break a block in one of the old racers, you are parked. Be interesting to see what other customers come in........
     
  3. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    If the new owner was a legal buyer for value, he has some legal rights regarding the car. He needs to consult with an attorney where the car is now impounded.
     
  4. chaa

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    I must say i am some what supprised that on a ferrari forum there is only two with an opinion about the Classiche program. Thats interesting.
     
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    FarmerDave F1 World Champ Consultant

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    There may be many more who just aren't willing to post their true opinion!
     
  6. Old Guy

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    Chaa,

    First, there is some misinformation in your post. The 250 SWB which Charles Brocket built was a pure counterfeit which he sold as the real car. This was settled in a lawsuit. Having dealt with the good Lord I have very few positive things to say about him.

    At this point well over 200 cars have received Certificates of Authenticity. A relatively small number required work to be done to return these cars to their original specifications -- in at least two cases the Classiche Department had new engine blocks cast to original specifications. There have also been cars which have been denied Certificates, and at least one car withdrawn from the process.

    There is significant information available on older Ferraris, both from Ferrari's records and from a group of experts outside Ferrari, some of whom are consultants to the department. While there were some difficulties in getting the process set up and in the early days, in my experience at this point the Certification process is working very well.

    (And incidentally a stolen car is a stolen car, and may well be discovered in many ways, not just sending it to Ferrari. I know of two Ferraris in the U.S. which were bought in good faith and which turned out to be stolen. To really oversimplify, under U.S. law a thief cannot pass good title to a car. Both owners had real difficulties; in one case the owner had to purchase his car -- again -- from the insurance company.)

    O.G.
     
  7. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ Owner Rossa Subscribed

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    tru dat.....a Corvette was recently discovered and then returned to it's original owner, after over 30 years, IIRC...Additional paint had been applied and remained in place......

    "Well yea, we know it used to be blue and now it has 134,675 miles on it, but....here's the keys!" LOL!

    Sometimes 'theft recovery' is bad news........
     
  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ Owner Rossa Subscribed

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    That would be more interesting to me, OG....so if you drive in and need an old obsolete block, they CAD/CAM it and cast using today's technology?

    That would be pretty awesome but I think there are some small shops doing exactly that.....

    Then we have the chance to recreate a Certified numbers matching car? With an asterisks, I suppose.....

    That may be the thought that is suppressing conversation, chaa.....or else you started this on Friday and we are all home for the weekend!

    *pool splashing*
     
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    Auraraptor F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    I wonder how expensive it is to CAD/CAM a set of heads. I had this project I really wanted to do....
     
  10. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ Honorary Owner

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    Chaa

    Good question. I've asked that this thread be merged with the same one in Vintage.

    Stolen cars are stolen cars and should be returned to their rightful owners.

    Buyers should always check before buying and always buy from reputable sources with assets so if something turns out to be funky they have recourse.

    This is the reason why legal identity is very important to establish esp. with older race cars and there are processes that if followed protect one and stolen vins #'s are listed with Interpol and the FBI.

    I think Ferrari is doing the right thing. The per hour rates are reasonable and they are willing to re manufacture parts that no longer exist so cars can go on. There are some things that no longer exist. I own the only existing spare set of original P 3 heads that I know of and hopefully I'll never need to use them on 0854 but in case I might mine aren't for sale so if someone blows up a 412P head it's great that Ferrari will now re manufacture one for them. This is not new. When I wanted new uprights for 0846 Ferrari re cast them for me and this helped me rebuilt that car.

    The people in charge are both helpful and fair.

    Old race cars are what they are and that doesn't change.

    Hope you're well and that your elbow is fine.

    Best
     

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